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Google knows nearly every Wi-Fi password in the world
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#302Security is about tradeoffs. How bad would it be if someone else got this information? How helpful is it to me to give it to this third party? Wireless passwords are a huge pain: visit someone's house, ask them for their password, and then feel guilty while they look through various papers to find a long string of hex digits which are so annoying to enter on the phone. This pain makes the tradeoff well worth if for m…
QR codes could make entering secure keys in to mobile devices easier. Variations of Wi-Fi quick set-up can also be made reasonably secure, implementations just suck.
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#303Ehem, and later this year Apple gets your finger print!
... and you think Android phone makers are not in mad rush to get a finger print sensor as early as possible ?
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem isn't limited to WPA2. As far as I know, in and of itself it's actually fairly secure. Most of the problem is that passwords are either easy for computers to crack or hard for humans to remember. The middle ground has disappeared as computational power has increased.
The best human rememberable password is 4-5 words from a dictionary + a special character. Assuming that most people have roughly 20k words vocabulary and that most keyboards can type easily say 60 characters, you get 20,000^4 60 or 9.6 10^18 passwords. This means that if you were to crack at a rate of one billion (with a b) passwords per second (unrealistic) you would still take on average of 9,000 years or 18,000 y…
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have, at length, in the past, and it's very disingenuous of you to pretend that you don't know that. Most people who accuse Google of being a tool of NSA have the excuse that they got the idea from the Guardian, which later retract^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcontradicted itself out of the accusation. But you know that already. You accuse Google of being a tool of NSA because you want them to be, because you believe that by repea…
You are partially right. All of my beliefs are provisional and I'm waiting to be proven wrong. I'd very much prefer to believe that Google acted properly (not necessarily legally) with respect to its cooperation with NSA. To date I am still not convinced. How is it possible to feel comfortable with Google's answers when you consider that companies are forbidden from disclosing some information? I'm equally skeptical…
Because you are implicitly claiming that not a single VP, SVP, well known person, etc, would be ethical enough to quit over this if Google had done it wrong. Given who those people are, it seems far fetched.
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#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's all well and good, but I have still not given authorization for the use of my network to the malicious user. An open network invites legal dispute as to whether the lack of encryption constitutes implicit permission to use the network [1]. By having encryption, even if easily cracked, I have let the malicious user that they are not welcome on my network and have absolved myself of any responsibility for their…
> Following your reasoning, my background means that I should know that I shouldn't have a wireless network at all. It would be argued that you should have taken 'reasonable' measures to prevent unauthorized access. It could then be argued that using WEP is not reasonable, especially it you know it is easily crackable.
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#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Following your reasoning, my background means that I should know that I shouldn't have a wireless network at all. It would be argued that you should have taken 'reasonable' measures to prevent unauthorized access. It could then be argued that using WEP is not reasonable, especially it you know it is easily crackable.
Should we lock our doors with bank-vault locks, since we know how easily most common door locks are picked? The fact that an attacker would have to actively bypass the security should be enough for legal purposes. It is not like an attacker could accidentally crack a WEP-protected network and not know they were doing it.
We should use the default standard method of locking our doors. And our Wi-Fi access points.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are partially right. All of my beliefs are provisional and I'm waiting to be proven wrong. I'd very much prefer to believe that Google acted properly (not necessarily legally) with respect to its cooperation with NSA. To date I am still not convinced. How is it possible to feel comfortable with Google's answers when you consider that companies are forbidden from disclosing some information? I'm equally skeptical…
"How is it possible to feel comfortable with Google's answers when you consider that companies are forbidden from disclosing some information?" Because you are implicitly claiming that not a single VP, SVP, well known person, etc, would be ethical enough to quit over this if Google had done it wrong. Given who those people are, it seems far fetched.
Further, the recent revelations that the NSA deploys agents as employees of various tech companies (like Google) indicates that Google's internal security processes have been breached and the careful (and likely reasonable) way that cooperation with law enforcement has been crafted may be largely irrelevant.
The above may be wild speculation, and I hope it's incorrect. But considering the Snowden revelations I don't think Google has done enough to make a person or firm that explicitly didn't want the NSA to have access to data its feel comfortable using Google's network and services to store/transmit it.
And, since Google's core business is ads, Google has designed its own systems so that data from any Google service (analytics, dns, gmail, doubleclick) can be used for targeting and behavioral profiling. The scope of it is really quite impressive. Thus I think it's sobering to think about all the data being readily available to the NSA, as Snowden suggests it is.
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#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
Should we lock our doors with bank-vault locks, since we know how easily most common door locks are picked? The fact that an attacker would have to actively bypass the security should be enough for legal purposes. It is not like an attacker could accidentally crack a WEP-protected network and not know they were doing it.
No, nor should we uninstall the default deadbolt that comes with the house and replace it with a simple gate-style lock (you know, the kind you can reach over and unhook). We should use the default standard method of locking our doors. And our Wi-Fi access points.
A better door analogy is replacing the deadbolt with a slightly crappier one that unlocks whenever you're in bluetooth range (for "convenience"). Just because the system is "easily broken into" doesn't mean that you're not "breaking and entering" when you break the security and enter the house.