Our approach to gender diversity • Hacker News Board

Re: Our approach to gender diversity

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Post by gametheoretic » Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 7:08 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #57

gametheoretic wrote: post #56

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> Where has adding women to a previous male bastion caused reduced performance? MDs? Parliamentarians? Senior corporate executives? I made no positive claims, only negative ones. >Imagine if we had had ibankers who stopped to think "Maybe CDSs are a bullshit kind of insurance, but with inadequate capital, so the first black swan that poops on a big CDS position is going to blow up the planet." Doing my best to refrai…

> If an iterated game rewards some strategy s, then the eventual adoption of strategy s is inevitable. Don't hate the player. When the players are also the people that spent considerable effort getting the rules of the game rewritten in a way that end up causing it to reward the strategy (replacing rules that had been put into place precisely to prevent the kind of collapse that happened after the rule change, after…

Try rewriting that sentence without passive voice, see what you find.

Re: Our approach to gender diversity

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Post by gametheoretic » Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 7:26 AM UTC

Zigurd wrote: post #60

gametheoretic wrote: post #56

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> Where has adding women to a previous male bastion caused reduced performance? MDs? Parliamentarians? Senior corporate executives? I made no positive claims, only negative ones. >Imagine if we had had ibankers who stopped to think "Maybe CDSs are a bullshit kind of insurance, but with inadequate capital, so the first black swan that poops on a big CDS position is going to blow up the planet." Doing my best to refrai…

> But seriously, human beings, lacking omniscience, require strategies to work around their blind spots and keep moving forward. That' a very benign interpretation of what happened, and one that is naive of the nature of financial regulation. Specifically, you can't just rename "insurance" to "derivatives contract that pays out like insurance but with unregulated capital requirements (and please ignore the word 'insu…

The highlighted section was not in reference to 2008. It was in defense of masculine bullshitting, which has its time and place just like everything else. Especially at poker tables.

Who buys CDS? Mom and Pop? If a used car salesman sells Grandma a lemon, that's not nice. Unless Grandma is also a used car salesman.

Getting off topic...

Re: Our approach to gender diversity

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Post by sambeau » Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 9:07 AM UTC

elnate wrote: post #58

sambeau wrote: post #43

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The evidence is self evident: Women perform equally to men in school/college in related subjects (better than men in the UK). Women make up 51% of the population. ∴ Our industry is ignoring half the talent.

You implied that genders are represented equally in all fields of study, but that certainly wasn't true in my education (CS + EE). So assuming a bell curve of talent, your ideal team would have more men than women.

No. I suggest that genders should be represented equally in all fields of study.

Re: Our approach to gender diversity

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Post by kivikakk » Sat, Sep 14, 2013, 11:10 AM UTC

sambeau wrote: post #37

pstack wrote: post #19

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I am so confused, now. When we speak of a trans[$], is the noun used supposed to be the source-sex or the target-sex? I know it is common courtesy to refer to a person as their current preferred/identified gender, so does that apply to this terminology, too? That is, a transgender man would not be a man who became a woman, but a woman who is now a man?

As I understand it (an I may be wrong here) transgender is the movement of gender so you are transgender only when you are in flux. Once you have arrived in your preferred gender you are no longer transgender so would normally be described solely by your new gender but may for reasons of clarity be referred to as transgendered (like I needed to above). Audrey & Sophie are women. A transgendered man was,usually, once,…

Usually, "transgendered" is not preferred by trans* people themselves. It sounds awkward.

For a transgender person, one's gender is always what it is; it's just the body that might need adjustment. Also, it's hard to say when one's "arrived" anyway; there's not really a point when you just say "tada!" and you're all done. It's a very gradual process.

Some trans* people will still rrefer to themselves as trans* even "after" transition (inasmuch as you can pinpoint an 'after') because they internalise that as part of their identity; others don't.