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Why Phonebloks Will Never Happen

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Re: Why Phonebloks Will Never Happen

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This is one of those ideas that look good on paper (or youtube) but just isn't practical. There's absolutely no spare space in a modern phone. If you make it modular, each 'module' has to have enough space for its component, PLUS space to bring it up to the next module size. This will make the phone HUGE.

The concept of an upgradable device is, however, great. Just not in the manufacturer's interest. Apple lose out if they offer a storage upgrade. Motorola don't sell another phone if they make the screen swappable to the next technology.

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#12
I'm curious if you could implement a GSM/3G phone using software defined radio, using a device such as BladeRF/USRP.

Amittedly they're not small enough to use as a normal phone though. Maybe you'd be able to scale down that tech though one day?

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#13
I don't buy the speed argument. In a modern PC, many things are pluggable. PCI express can transmit up to 30 GB/s, IIRC. Even CPUs and RAM are modular. If there was such a benefit from soldering them together, I'm sure we would be seeing more integrated systems.

Furthermore, the modem part of many smartphones is already a black box that is heavily isolated from every other component. It's basically just hooked into a bus, and connected to microphone, speakers, and antennas, and doesn't necessarily interface that much with the CPU.

I'm not sure the PhoneBloks concept would work. (Crazy ideas follow.) But what I can definitely see working is separating the computer from the shell (case, screen, speakers, camera, ...). We are reaching a point where the speed difference between smartphone generations becomes meaningless. In the future, you might be able to buy standardized "computing bricks". For one phone, you might need a 2017 model A brick, for a tablet at least a model C, and if you want to build a server, you just pick up a few (kilos of?) CPU bricks. These bricks would be so cheap and featureless, that they would allow really ubiquitous computing. Building a house? Build in a few, like power sockets. You'll get the equivalent of today's top PCs thrown after you as advertizement gifts.

This is not necessarily what must happen, but the reason I think it could happen is the following: Once the raw computing sector stops growing, and there is no longer much profit to make, the industry will want to move on. As we are already seeing today, specs will not be the main selling point. Instead, people will pay for features (a great camera, physical buttons :-), wireless charging, ...), a better integrated experience, a certain design, or a brand name (e.g. all Apple). Development will focus even more on that, and there will be a drive to reduce the cost of raw computing to it's minimum.

Re: Why Phonebloks Will Never Happen

#14
As much as it sounds fun, I very much doubt that industry will adapt it. Look at Android which is open-sourcish, updated frequently and the whole os should be easy to transfer between devices. In reality no one wants to allow people to do that. Older devices are not updated and crappy additional software is installed just for this reason - to make sure people have to buy complete new phone often and to make sure it's the right one. I don't think it's the right approach to shout into the void instead of, let's say, build a startup and go on kickstarter.

Re: Why Phonebloks Will Never Happen

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This is one of those ideas that look good on paper (or youtube) but just isn't practical. There's absolutely no spare space in a modern phone. If you make it modular, each 'module' has to have enough space for its component, PLUS space to bring it up to the next module size. This will make the phone HUGE. The concept of an upgradable device is, however, great. Just not in the manufacturer's interest. Apple lose out i…

You can clearly see the cost of modularity if you compare my current laptop to my previous one.

My current laptop is a 15" retina MacBook Pro. It isn't upgradable in any real sense of the word.

My previous laptop was a 15" MacBook Pro. I could upgrade the RAM and HDD, and with little difficulty replace the battery.

The upgradable one is 5mm-ish thicker and about 400 grams heavier.

Not a true apples-to-apples comparison, but it does show the bulk added by having end user interchangeable connections on the hardware.

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This is one of those ideas that look good on paper (or youtube) but just isn't practical. There's absolutely no spare space in a modern phone. If you make it modular, each 'module' has to have enough space for its component, PLUS space to bring it up to the next module size. This will make the phone HUGE. The concept of an upgradable device is, however, great. Just not in the manufacturer's interest. Apple lose out i…

You can clearly see the cost of modularity if you compare my current laptop to my previous one. My current laptop is a 15" retina MacBook Pro. It isn't upgradable in any real sense of the word. My previous laptop was a 15" MacBook Pro. I could upgrade the RAM and HDD, and with little difficulty replace the battery. The upgradable one is 5mm-ish thicker and about 400 grams heavier. Not a true apples-to-apples comparis…

> Not a true apples-to-apples comparison

HA

Re: Why Phonebloks Will Never Happen

#18

This is one of those ideas that look good on paper (or youtube) but just isn't practical. There's absolutely no spare space in a modern phone. If you make it modular, each 'module' has to have enough space for its component, PLUS space to bring it up to the next module size. This will make the phone HUGE. The concept of an upgradable device is, however, great. Just not in the manufacturer's interest. Apple lose out i…

While upgradeable is one aspect - another big aspect of the problem is it being fixeable. Due to a variety of reasons, it's not affordable to fix your old phone, you might as well buy a new one. FairPhone is another phone project, which aims to actually make your phone repairable too. I think it'll make a bigger dent in the short to medium term.

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I don't buy the speed argument. In a modern PC, many things are pluggable. PCI express can transmit up to 30 GB/s, IIRC. Even CPUs and RAM are modular. If there was such a benefit from soldering them together, I'm sure we would be seeing more integrated systems. Furthermore, the modem part of many smartphones is already a black box that is heavily isolated from every other component. It's basically just hooked into a…

Desktop PCs are huge. Laptops are still large compared to phones, and losing modularity fast as they're getting smaller. Your comparison is apples to oranges.

Re: Why Phonebloks Will Never Happen

#20
People are complaining about fragmentation on Android, heck people are even complaining about it on iPhones. How would you develop a good mobile OS with apps on hardware you can't test against? Even if the hardware problems was solved now, I do not think people would be happy to dev against the "platform".
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