Atwood's Law: any application that can be written in JavaScript, will eventually be written in JavaScript.
No more CSS and HTML, just JS
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Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#12Very interesting. Its become dogma that the markup and event handlers should be separate (for example you never add an onclick html attribute to anything). There are many good reasons for this. But I suppose if you think of this kind of like t ejs templates or something, its not so bad. Seems like an interesting way forward.
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#13Uhhh...shouldn't the site itself be built using the framework it advertises? Because the page structure and styling is all there even with JS turned off.
It's probably pre-compiled
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#14Uhhh...shouldn't the site itself be built using the framework it advertises? Because the page structure and styling is all there even with JS turned off.
The site definitely was written entirely in OJ=). What you are seeing is that OJ, since it is just JS, can be run server side as well as client side. Server side it generates HTML/CSS (so it renders with JS turned off), but client side it renders directly to the DOM for faster templating, and automatic event binding.
The tool for server side static site generation is available in node npm. You can install it with `npm install -g oj`. Example projects can be found here: https://github.com/ojjs/oj-examples
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#15Well, it's only 11 000 lines of js... Plus Backbone, plus jQuery, plus underscore, plus ace. Loading the source page takes about 15s on my computer... I'm not sure I would like my index.html to like this https://github.com/ojjs/ojjs.github.com/blob/master/index.ht...
When will we write a full browser in js and render to canvas?
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#16Good, so Swing fans can finally write webapps.
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#17Reminds me of building views in Java...
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#18So, how well does this framework handle screen readers, like JAWS? All javascript, all the time is terrible from an accessibility standpoint.
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#19Well, it's only 11 000 lines of js... Plus Backbone, plus jQuery, plus underscore, plus ace. Loading the source page takes about 15s on my computer... I'm not sure I would like my index.html to like this https://github.com/ojjs/ojjs.github.com/blob/master/index.ht...
Yes, it seems like added complexity and reduced performance for uncertain benefit.
The whole point of HTML and CSS is to be declarative, non-procedural ways of specifying presentation and UX behavior. The rationale is that designers writing CSS rules is safer than developers writing Javascript code -- for those cases where the desired result can be achieved with either approach.
So why turn back the clock and go back to messing with code and debugging it? Unless I am missing something, heavy-weight pages with potential for bugs does not seem like a win.
Re: No more CSS and HTML, just JS
#20So it's like a WYSIWYG that you need to know JavaScript to use?