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Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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We should not look towards drugs to satisfy the void in our lives. We should not look to eating for pleasure, just for health. We should not look to our career as a source of fulfillment - it's just a means to an end. We should not look to our mates as a source of salvation - we should focus on giving. We should not look to our kids as objects to make us whole - we should focus on giving... Ok, so if we're gonna take…

you have a lot of opinions on what we all should do christian I presume?

Did you read the article? He's quoting that...

Also is it necessary to bring an unrelated belief system into this...?

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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We should not look towards drugs to satisfy the void in our lives. We should not look to eating for pleasure, just for health. We should not look to our career as a source of fulfillment - it's just a means to an end. We should not look to our mates as a source of salvation - we should focus on giving. We should not look to our kids as objects to make us whole - we should focus on giving... Ok, so if we're gonna take…

Just work, and staring at a wall.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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I have previously commented on this topic on HN, but since it's back i'll go again. As a medical student I was taught that addiction is a spectrum. Each drug falls somewhere on that spectrum in terms of addiction potential, (And as GotAnyMegadeth comments, Nicotine is more addictive than Heroin) and every person has some prior probability of becoming addicted, due to the complex interplay of social/biological factors…

Are you sure you are talking about the destructive potential of heroin itself and not the circumstances in which it is consumed? It is not necessarily an IV drug, but the price, driven by criminalization, makes smoking prohibitively expensive (see the other comment about the Vietnam soldiers). In countries where the distribution of syringes is criminalised (Russia, USA), syringes are reused and shared. The price of the drug encourages the users to resort crime to obtain it and neglect other aspects of their lives (nutrition, hygiene, living conditions). All of those aren't necessarily effects of the drug itself.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Like lots of folks I drink a bit, and I smoke the occasional celebratory cigar. I'm fortunate to not have found myself addicted to anything though (that I'm aware of at least). However, I have family members who have deep addiction problems. Life affecting. One thing that I've noticed is that even when they get off of the substance, the addictive personality traits are still there -- years later. One of my relatives,…

Thanks for sharing. I have never seen the type of addiction you described first hand. Firstly, I wonder how prevalent this "level" of addiction is. Secondly,what type of environmental and genetic factors influence it

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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We should not look towards drugs to satisfy the void in our lives. We should not look to eating for pleasure, just for health. We should not look to our career as a source of fulfillment - it's just a means to an end. We should not look to our mates as a source of salvation - we should focus on giving. We should not look to our kids as objects to make us whole - we should focus on giving... Ok, so if we're gonna take…

This is the real question. I think there are only three choice categories:

* Reject everything. This is basically the path of the Yogi.

* Assign meaning to something. It could be your kids, your spouse (I wouldn't recommend that one), philanthropy, a "vision," or whatever. If people ask why it's important to you, don't explain in logical terms. "I decided that it would be."

* Stop thinking about it. Chase the dopamine. I think most people do this, even the most thoughtful people. It might even be impossible to escape attachment and emotion.

In the end, attachment and emotion are truly illogical experiences. Do we embrace that illogic completely, try to "control" it, or struggle to reject it entirely?

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Does anyone really think "one try ... is enough to get us hooked"? They can't know any overt functional drug users if that's the case. Cocaine in particular isn't instantly addictive. If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off.

A while back (some years perhaps) on Reddit there was a story about someone who basically documented their experiment with heroin. It could have been a hoax of course, but most agreed it wasn't. It was this person who was already doing milder illegal drugs. He goes to his dealer and dealer proposes something different this time. He decided to try heroin. Had pretty high confidence he wouldn't get addicted. Anyway he…

Was it one of these?

http://www.reddit.com/user/SpontaneousH/submitted/

Or this one?

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/jcxow/iama_functioning...

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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post #38

Like lots of folks I drink a bit, and I smoke the occasional celebratory cigar. I'm fortunate to not have found myself addicted to anything though (that I'm aware of at least). However, I have family members who have deep addiction problems. Life affecting. One thing that I've noticed is that even when they get off of the substance, the addictive personality traits are still there -- years later. One of my relatives,…

This is the rule, not the exception, among addicts. Every recovery program (12-step or not) emphasizes that drugs are not a drug addict's only problem. Obviously they are a very destructive part of the problem, but every addict who stops using long enough learns that -- surprise! -- they're still a self-centered, fear-driven, manipulative, obsessive person. That stuff doesn't just go away when you stop using; if anything, it flares up in other ways (as you've seen firsthand).

Source: many years clean in NA

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Anything that has to be spread to "The Masses" through marketing, propaganda or public education campaigns need a simple message to work. Simple, clear, strong messages with no room for debate. Just say no. Just Do it. The Real Thing.

Exaggeration is absolutely essential if you want to get people to react. You cannot rely on reality to provide the necessary frightening statistics.

So for example, almost everyone (including smokers) overestimates the risk of lung cancer caused by smoking by an order of magnitude. The danger of second hand smoke by even more. Cigarettes are unhealthy, but people are too irrational to react to that. In order to get a reaction, the dangers must be multiplied.

Another good example is HIV transmission. Most people assume the transmission rate is close to 100%. Someone who has had sex with a HIV+ partner and survives dodged a bullet. In reality, transmission rates after a single exposure are very low. It depends on the sex act and viral load but even for high risk activities like anal sex, infection rates are in the low single digits. They are estimated around 0.1% per exposure for vaginal penetrative sex.

Campaigns that made you think of how many people are 5 shags removed from you (your ex & her exes & his exes..) implied that infection rates were near 1%. People bought it. They started using condoms. The spread slowed or stopped. A 0.1% risk would not have done that.

So yeah. Marketers lie. So do propagandists. The layman public simplify. It's how shoes get sold. it's how public opinions are changes.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Does anyone really think "one try ... is enough to get us hooked"? They can't know any overt functional drug users if that's the case. Cocaine in particular isn't instantly addictive. If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off.

"If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off." Cocaine can't have actively put you off that much if you did it again a few times. Reminds me of the joke "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it lots of times."

I enjoyed your comment so I don't want you to think I'm being rude but I think there is a difference between trying a drug (maybe more than once) versus becoming addicted to it and needing to quit.

My best (and personal) example is that I would smoke a cigarettes with friends back in college whenever we were out and drinking. It provided a good additional buzz and it was somewhat social. I'd even buy my own pack so I could have one if my other smoking buddies weren't around (also when I was out drinking). I averaged 2-4 cigarettes per week and I'd even go weeks without smoking as well. It was sporadic and I didn't enjoy cigarettes any other time. When I saw people smoking during the daytime I would actually be kind of disgusted at the thought of smoking. So I guess my point is... was I addicted? I don't think I was. Was there ever a line that I would say that I "quit smoking"? Eventually I did stop my "casual" routine. Even now, I think I would still smoke a cigarette if I was put back into similar situations.

I think it's completely reasonable to have tried a drug many times and not be considered addicted. On the contrary, many of those same college friends I smoked with I would consider to be addicted. It wasn't a limited activity. It was an anytime and anywhere activity.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Does anyone really think "one try ... is enough to get us hooked"? They can't know any overt functional drug users if that's the case. Cocaine in particular isn't instantly addictive. If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off.

"If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off." Cocaine can't have actively put you off that much if you did it again a few times. Reminds me of the joke "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it lots of times."

Perhaps it's an acquired taste. It took me loads of tries to get olives, ale and death metal. I was actively put off all of those several times, now I survive on pretty much just those...
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