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Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Does anyone really think "one try ... is enough to get us hooked"? They can't know any overt functional drug users if that's the case. Cocaine in particular isn't instantly addictive. If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off.

A while back (some years perhaps) on Reddit there was a story about someone who basically documented their experiment with heroin. It could have been a hoax of course, but most agreed it wasn't.

It was this person who was already doing milder illegal drugs. He goes to his dealer and dealer proposes something different this time. He decided to try heroin. Had pretty high confidence he wouldn't get addicted. Anyway he describes his first try. Then as weeks went on he periodically posted updated. He kept justifying going back to trying it. Gets addicted. Long story loses his job, girlfriend, goes into rehab for a long time. Pretty harrowing story.

EDIT:

Thanks to japhyr56 who found the link:

http://www.reddit.com/user/SpontaneousH/submitted/

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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I remember from college my Econ 101 textbook had a sidebar on heroin use by military personnel in Vietnam - apparently (according to my memory of an unattributed source) 90% of personnel stationed in Vietnam tried heroin at least once, and then 89% of them stopped when they left.

Why an economics textbook? The authors were trying to illustrate 1) the role of substitutes on consumption of a particular good - there was no TV, no bridge club, no women except prostitutes to go out with, so heroin "cornered the market" on recreational activities, and 2) the fact that people will adjust consumption of almost any good in response to its changing price - heroin was incredibly cheap, so people took more of it.

Anyway, I always looked skeptically at claims that trying it once guarantees addiction after that.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Addiction is not just about the substance (alcohol, cocaine, heroine) or the behavior (Sex, gambling, video games). A person is an addict even before that person has that first try. There are many other factors that condition someone to become an addict. There are genetic factors, environmental factors, other underlying mental issues, etc.

True, that's why you should try to recognize your addictions before falling trapped. Like if you're super hooked to boost from caffeine, it might not be good idea to try meth.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Does anyone really think "one try ... is enough to get us hooked"? They can't know any overt functional drug users if that's the case. Cocaine in particular isn't instantly addictive. If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off.

A while back (some years perhaps) on Reddit there was a story about someone who basically documented their experiment with heroin. It could have been a hoax of course, but most agreed it wasn't. It was this person who was already doing milder illegal drugs. He goes to his dealer and dealer proposes something different this time. He decided to try heroin. Had pretty high confidence he wouldn't get addicted. Anyway he…

So you've got an anecdote, and you didn't even link to the source of the anecdote.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Does anyone really think "one try ... is enough to get us hooked"? They can't know any overt functional drug users if that's the case. Cocaine in particular isn't instantly addictive. If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off.

"If anything on the few occasions I've used it, it actively put me off." Cocaine can't have actively put you off that much if you did it again a few times. Reminds me of the joke "Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it lots of times."

Considering I've not taken it, or even thought about taking it, for over 15 years, I'd say you are wrong.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Addiction is not just about the substance (alcohol, cocaine, heroine) or the behavior (Sex, gambling, video games). A person is an addict even before that person has that first try. There are many other factors that condition someone to become an addict. There are genetic factors, environmental factors, other underlying mental issues, etc.

This is a misunderstand intentionally propagated by the 'treatment' system. Sure there are plenty of factors that can play into a pre-disposition, but it is the act or the chemicals that begin a physical re-wiring of the brain. It is because of having new additional receptors, or having blocked receptors, or a number of other changes that we have what we call 'physical addiction', and that doesn't happen until "that first try".

It is also, in almost all cases, reversible. The receptors adapt, pathways change, hormonal sensitivities reset.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A while back (some years perhaps) on Reddit there was a story about someone who basically documented their experiment with heroin. It could have been a hoax of course, but most agreed it wasn't. It was this person who was already doing milder illegal drugs. He goes to his dealer and dealer proposes something different this time. He decided to try heroin. Had pretty high confidence he wouldn't get addicted. Anyway he…

So you've got an anecdote, and you didn't even link to the source of the anecdote.

Sorry I tried to find it but couldn't at the moment. It was some years back and reddit's search is not the best it seems.

Anyway the idea was that many go in thinking they can handle but it turns out they can get addicted the first time and it can ruin their life pretty quickly.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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Like lots of folks I drink a bit, and I smoke the occasional celebratory cigar. I'm fortunate to not have found myself addicted to anything though (that I'm aware of at least).

However, I have family members who have deep addiction problems. Life affecting. One thing that I've noticed is that even when they get off of the substance, the addictive personality traits are still there -- years later.

One of my relatives, for example, managed to get herself off of drinking and smoking completely and was in counseling. The addictions, and the kinds of behaviors that come with maintaining addictions (all kinds of dissociative, anti-social, manipulative weirdness) were ruining her life. Strange thing was, after removing the substance, the behaviors persisted.

Many months later, after quitting drinking and smoking, we found that she was latching onto other activities in an addictive way. For example, she found a puzzle game on her phone that she would play obsessively* -- forgetting to eat, sleep, show up for work, having basic human interaction and even requiring physical therapy at one point for the muscle strain of sitting in the position to play the game for hours on end. Crippling physical pain wasn't even enough to get her to stop -- it was what was providing her "fix". She would sit, literally for days straight and play it. Counseling eventually got her to recognize this addiction, but it was harder for her to stop since she had her phone on her at all times.

Then one day she stopped and we all breathed a sigh of relief -- she started sending emails again and generally became more communicative. A few weeks later the behaviors started again, but it wasn't with her phone. Turned out she had just found a computer game she liked more and switched off the phone game.

Today she manages a bit better, but she went through a smoking binge for a while. She's "quit" again, but now just habitually chews nicotine gum. Apparently the nicotine helps keep her off of other more destructive behaviors (like playing phone games obsessively). When she feels stressed, she just chews some nicotine gum and that seems to get her through the craving. She's back working a regular job now and doing okay, but the idea that she'll find some other, better, satisfier, scares everybody.

* - obsession is outright scary when you see it in another human for real. It makes a mood swing look like a flat affect. A person who's addictively obsessed with something is almost feral, operating on instinct -- except with human level brain power to alter their environment to maintain the obsession.

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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We should not look towards drugs to satisfy the void in our lives. We should not look to eating for pleasure, just for health. We should not look to our career as a source of fulfillment - it's just a means to an end. We should not look to our mates as a source of salvation - we should focus on giving. We should not look to our kids as objects to make us whole - we should focus on giving... Ok, so if we're gonna take…

you have a lot of opinions on what we all should do

christian I presume?

Re: Drug addiction: The complex truth

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We should not look towards drugs to satisfy the void in our lives. We should not look to eating for pleasure, just for health. We should not look to our career as a source of fulfillment - it's just a means to an end. We should not look to our mates as a source of salvation - we should focus on giving. We should not look to our kids as objects to make us whole - we should focus on giving... Ok, so if we're gonna take…

you have a lot of opinions on what we all should do christian I presume?

Ha. I wanted to edit my post and add "(And please don't say God)". So the answer is no :)
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