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Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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If they put that clause in their ToS, and then decided to kick you off Facebook for wearing tinted glasses, they'd be well within their rights.

They would be in their rights - legally speaking - but would it be reasonable ? And would you expect it to happen?

Whether or not it is reasonable is besides the point here -- I was responding to a bad analogy.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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This did not use the Facebook API. It completely circumvents it.

Yes. What they said. Social Fixer is not bound by any API TOS, because I do not use their API or any official mechanism they offer. I am not a Facebook Developer, and this isn't a Facebook App. This is, of course, intentional, because I don't want to be bound by the Developer TOS.

My apologies, I did not know it was completely separate. I had assumed it wasn't separate because that is what is listed as the reason for removing it.

This is quite unfair to you IMO...downright shameful of facebook to do this.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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It is also against Facebook TOS to create or use browser extensions to alter the Facebook experience. This has been the rule for many years. The fact that this page and extension did not get banned sooner is the real story.

Facebook shouldn't be allowed to ban that. Facebook is so big, it has become infrastructure. That it is not regulated yet is the real scandal.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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One of the most important lessons I've learned during the growing-up phase of my being an entrepreneur -- and one of the first things I'm doing with my next startup -- is putting together a list of "doomsday scenarios" right off the bat. What are the _single_ actions / events / scenarios that could kill your business overnight? I emphasize single because every business is going to have the potential for a series of u…

>You run on AWS in a single availability zone,

How about: Your hosting relies totally on amazon?

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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Well, whether you do or not, if it's the sole platform you build on, you're at their mercy. Violating the TOS means you should expect to get burned (and you've done it to yourself). Either they utterly failed at any kind of due diligence while designing this product or they're lying about not understanding Facebook's actions; neither really engenders sympathy. I'm not a fan of FB, but this clearly is not some arbitra…

I did not violate their TOS. This is not a Facebook App that uses their API, therefore I am not bound by their developer TOS.

You are bound by their whims, however. I feel for you-- it's unfortunate to have something you put your heart and soul into shut down without notice.

This is why I would hesitate before developing a facebook or iOS app. Being subject to the whims of some tech bureaucrat's interpretation is a little too discomforting.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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post #4

It is also against Facebook TOS to create or use browser extensions to alter the Facebook experience. This has been the rule for many years. The fact that this page and extension did not get banned sooner is the real story.

Facebook shouldn't be allowed to ban that. Facebook is so big, it has become infrastructure. That it is not regulated yet is the real scandal.

At what point does regulation kick in? Is it the same thing as the fuzzy "I don't know how to define it but I know it when I see it"?

Why isn't Comcast regulated like a utility? It definitely ought to be if we regulate Facebook.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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One of the most important lessons I've learned during the growing-up phase of my being an entrepreneur -- and one of the first things I'm doing with my next startup -- is putting together a list of "doomsday scenarios" right off the bat. What are the _single_ actions / events / scenarios that could kill your business overnight? I emphasize single because every business is going to have the potential for a series of u…

It comes down to this: if you are serious about your business, build redundancy throughout ALL layers, not just technology but also personnel. You gave the example of CTO, but I would go one step further: there should always be someone who can act as interim CEO if something happens to you.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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It is also against Facebook TOS to create or use browser extensions to alter the Facebook experience. This has been the rule for many years. The fact that this page and extension did not get banned sooner is the real story.

Very well, maybe they're trying to kill Social Fixer because of their TOS. Right now, it seems like this will be the biggest exposure SF gets in its several years of existence, so not the best possible move... Advertisers didn't kill adblock, and they won't kill this. How much revenue and resources they lose before they accept this fact and adapt, is up to them.

Except this isn't a Facebook app - it's a browser extension - and so the Facebook api TOS doesn't apply.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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They can write that in their terms & conditions all they like, but it doesn't make it legal or enforceable.

How would it be illegal to remove pages from their own platform that alter Facebook's appearance? As far as enforceability, that seems demonstrably false based on this post.

The pages don't do that.
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