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Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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They can write that in their terms & conditions all they like, but it doesn't make it legal or enforceable.

If you use their website, especially if you build something on it, then you need to live by their rules.

Really? Tell that to AdBlock.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

#42
post #38

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Am I forbidden from wearing tinted glasses while looking at Facebook as well? After all, they "alter the experience".

If they put that clause in their ToS, and then decided to kick you off Facebook for wearing tinted glasses, they'd be well within their rights.

The ToS is irrelevant. They can kick you off FB for no reason at all, if they want.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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They can write that in their terms & conditions all they like, but it doesn't make it legal or enforceable.

How would it be illegal to remove pages from their own platform that alter Facebook's appearance? As far as enforceability, that seems demonstrably false based on this post.

Um, I never said that anybody did anything illegal. In fact, that was the central point of my comment.

SF-guy can write his app, I can use it, and FB can delete his FB pages. No laws broken.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

#44
"My software is a free browser extension that fixes and enhances the Facebook user interface"

I can certainly see why Facebook might not want someone else controlling their user experience. It doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that they would kill this.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

#45
post #20

One of the most important lessons I've learned during the growing-up phase of my being an entrepreneur -- and one of the first things I'm doing with my next startup -- is putting together a list of "doomsday scenarios" right off the bat. What are the _single_ actions / events / scenarios that could kill your business overnight? I emphasize single because every business is going to have the potential for a series of u…

Agreed. But also note - this isn't a point of failure. It's an annoyance, and it's Facebook being arbitrary and inconsistent. But it doesn't affect my ability to deliver the product. It just makes it a little harder, because the most logical communication medium between myself and my users has been taken away.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

#46
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I forbidden from wearing tinted glasses while looking at Facebook as well? After all, they "alter the experience".

If they put that clause in their ToS, and then decided to kick you off Facebook for wearing tinted glasses, they'd be well within their rights.

They would be in their rights - legally speaking - but would it be reasonable? And would you expect it to happen?

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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I understand your point, however that isn't quite a valid analogy in this case. The correct analogy would be: Q) Am I forbidden from writing an application using the facebook API that tints/alters the color of the website? A) Yes, you are forbidden from doing that.

This did not use the Facebook API. It completely circumvents it.

Yes. What they said. Social Fixer is not bound by any API TOS, because I do not use their API or any official mechanism they offer. I am not a Facebook Developer, and this isn't a Facebook App. This is, of course, intentional, because I don't want to be bound by the Developer TOS.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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...and violate their TOS at the same time.

Well, whether you do or not, if it's the sole platform you build on, you're at their mercy. Violating the TOS means you should expect to get burned (and you've done it to yourself). Either they utterly failed at any kind of due diligence while designing this product or they're lying about not understanding Facebook's actions; neither really engenders sympathy. I'm not a fan of FB, but this clearly is not some arbitra…

I did not violate their TOS. This is not a Facebook App that uses their API, therefore I am not bound by their developer TOS.

Re: Facebook deletes Social Fixer page, blocks page admins

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post #20

One of the most important lessons I've learned during the growing-up phase of my being an entrepreneur -- and one of the first things I'm doing with my next startup -- is putting together a list of "doomsday scenarios" right off the bat. What are the _single_ actions / events / scenarios that could kill your business overnight? I emphasize single because every business is going to have the potential for a series of u…

Agreed. But also note - this isn't a point of failure. It's an annoyance, and it's Facebook being arbitrary and inconsistent. But it doesn't affect my ability to deliver the product. It just makes it a little harder, because the most logical communication medium between myself and my users has been taken away.

Of all the companies out there, Facebook is the least arbitrary and inconsistent I know! Just imagine they're a perfectly rational, self-interested actor who plays realpolitik all the time and plan accordingly.

For example, how does FB benefit from your product? Does it hamper them in any way? Even the name (Social "Fixer") does not align with FB's interests.

The rational thing to do would be to shut you down. If you had leverage or tied into a broader strategy they might not. But you don't, so they did.

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