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You're offended that other people were offended? I think everyone (even you) knows what they meant by "lockerroom attitude" even if you disapprove of the word choice.
No, being told that the story would offend him was offensive. That's a very condescending view!
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Probably a combination of fatigue and not wanting to deal with the toxicity these type of threads tend to be utterly soaked in. "Confronting the problem" is hard in the company of reasoned discussion and nigh-impossible in the face of extremists. *edit And that's why I flagged it. Not because I'm some horrible sexist, or because I want women to fail, but because I don't want HN turning into Tumblr or SRS. On top of a…
Extremists? Is that what you call anyone who isn't a sexist like you? And what does SRS have to do with anything? I left reddit to get away from the r/mensrights freaks like you so you might want to keep your bullshit there.
So I have to wonder. How many people were there? Why didn't the dad with his nine year old daughter get up and raise hell? Why didn't the organizers? Why didn't women?
Aologizing after the fact is one thing. If you want to send a solid message you have to publicly shame these morons then and there. Te problem is that a lot of these young guys in tech are still, mentally speaking, teenagers, which makes them socially inept and, in some cases, complete idiots.
Best comment on the article from Bob Costas... For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social s…
Sorry for being harsh. This has to be just-about the stupidest comment I've seen on HN in quite some time.
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The whole thing is sad, but hopefully this sort of exposure will have the 'training' effect that folks won't seriously expect us to believe the excuse "Hey, its just a joke, I didn't mean it." which works fine if you're comedian doing a comedy act, not so well if your venue is more serious than that.
Once we remove jokes from the workplace, then we can concentrate our focus on removing smiling. Work should be no fun zones, one day our dream of robotic toil will come to fruition.
Clearly in the context of TechCrunch Disrupt making sexist jokes is a problem, but Rickrolling Arrington as our CTO did one year when he showed a backwards search engine (you went from a bunch of results to figure out what the query was that would return those kind of thing) just 'funny' (for some definition of funny, since it was pretty late in the Rickrolling meme but I digress).
But the maturation process, the one where you look at a situation and predict which behaviors will be ok for the group or not ok for the group, is something that you can't teach but you can learn.
[1] "Murder" is a useful foil to have this discussion around as there are so many different contexts in which one person may feel compelled or desire to take the life of another.
Best comment on the article from Bob Costas... For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social s…
If the former, the fortitude to do or not do what? If the latter, I don't really regard it as fortitude. I've worked with people who didn't shower for days, and it wasn't in a computer lab--once it was on a loading dock.
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The reduction of women to a collection of body parts is often seen as a form of dislike for holistic femaleness -- it robs a person of their humanity. 3rd wave feminism might disagree with this to a point, but the 1st wave certainly wouldn't.
Meanwhile, women in blue collar environments joke about men staring at their breasts, butts, and whatever else, engage in the same sort of rude banter as men, and are generally accepted as strong and capable. At least that is what I have seen at the railroad where my mother works, where women are not demeaned by their coworkers and do not feel that their work environmental is "hostile." Jokes about body parts are a b…
Basically, it's a question of participation vs. objectification--of being in on the joke vs. being the butt of the joke.
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Its because they don't think women in general have the fortitude nor the willingness to not shower for days and be content with not going outside while living off cold pizza. [...] instead of women decrying these prevailing attitudes in tech they should embrace these traits. You really don't see the inherent contradiction there? The first half says the problem is assumptions by men about what women will or will not d…
I've encountered more women capable of avoiding the shower for days than I ever would have wanted. "Apathy towards basic hygiene" is not established at the genetic level. Either way, that is something I'd like to see leave this industry too.
Best comment on the article from Bob Costas... For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social s…
It doesn't take that long to shower.
Interesting that HN keeps killing threads on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6360328 A stubborn refusal to confront the problem is what helps these attitudes fester.
Probably a combination of fatigue and not wanting to deal with the toxicity these type of threads tend to be utterly soaked in. "Confronting the problem" is hard in the company of reasoned discussion and nigh-impossible in the face of extremists. *edit And that's why I flagged it. Not because I'm some horrible sexist, or because I want women to fail, but because I don't want HN turning into Tumblr or SRS. On top of a…