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Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

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Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

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All that doesn't make it any less wrong.

If you believe in the liberty of people to live life as they choose, it makes it a ton less wrong. They are living life with goals in mind. Some of these goals might even be, dare I say, valid. If you think the goal of society is that every single individual satisfies your aesthetic preferences for what makes a good life, then you're right, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

This is an important point, and I think most people in IB would agree. However, some of that agreement would stem from déformation professionnelle. If those people had some way of stepping outside their current situation and evaluating the overall course of their employment, they might well choose differently. Of course, only old folks are really capable of that, and at that point they can't do much to fix it, so it's not as if the bankers have it worse than the rest of us.

Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you overestimate how much banking interns make. By a lot.

If you're a banking intern, it means you're a college kid. If you're in NYC, you can do something like live in NYU student housing for the summer. It's no big deal. As an analyst, you'll be making over six figures, with a base in the $70-$80k range. You can live 20 minutes from midtown Manhattan on that, though you'll probably have to have roommates (but hey you're 22 so again, no big deal).

I think you're confusing interns and employees. I don't think banking interns make anywhere near $70-80K.

Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

#104
Never understood what the obsession is with long hours in finance - I highly doubt it actually leads to any more productivity, and certainly reduces the quality of decision making. Surely the better way to impress is to do 40 hours of great work, not 110 hours of being barely awake.

Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

#105
post #14

People like to dramatize this a bit, I think. First, I'll quibble with the definition of all-nighter: "I ended up doing an all-nighter in my first week as an intern, which is when you start work at nine, you stay until five or six the next morning, you go home, have a quick shower and then head back into the office and continue working." If you leave work at 5 and start at 9, and are sensible and live within 20 minut…

* Three hours of sleep - if that - is far, far too little for any normal human being to function normally. Also yes, working until 6 AM is an all-nighter, it's dawn then. > Second, how many times did you pull a few all-nighters in a row during college? I can't even count. I certainly didn't die. Never. I don't get why people do it either, it's not like it makes you a better student. If anything, having to pull all-ni…

I'm of the opinion that people can adapt to less sleep. I spent quite a while sleeping exactly 6 hours per night, and then spent about 11 weeks alternating between 3 and 4.5 hours of sleep on weeknights and about 7.5 hours of sleep on weekends. This almost certainly wouldn't be a healthy thing to do for years on end, but for the 11 week period that I did this I felt pretty good (maybe 90-95% mental capacity) and was able to get a ton of stuff done with my ~20 hour days.

Again related to your post, this sparse sleep schedule was caused by college. I go to Caltech (for those who haven't heard of it, its probably pretty similar to MIT in terms of workload/intensity) and have a fairly typical sleep schedule among my peers. I'm pretty sure that every term (10 weeks) that I've been here I've had at least one 40+ hour period with 0 sleep, and had a term where I would sleep from about 7AM to 10AM every weekday (and then at least 10 hours/day on weekends). These longs hours are mostly caused by problem sets + studying, and things get a bit worse when you're actually too busy working to have time to go to class (which is a common occurrence).

As for why students do it, its to get everything done. Typical courseload is 5 courses/term, and starting in the middle of sophomore year most people are taking courses that would be intro graduate level courses at most institutions. 4 advanced math + 1 social studies/humanities course definitely keep you busy.

Also, among my group of peers, we typically define an "all-nighter" to be where you just complete the planned activities for the following day without any sleep at all. This generally involves staying awake from one morning (10AM) to dinner time on the next day (~5PM), making an all-nighter be ~30 hours. If an all-nighter were defined more leniently, we'd have a depressingly large number of all-nighters.

Note: Most of the above applies to my more difficult terms. I've also had terms where I slept 7+ hrs/night and maybe only worked until the sun rose about 2 or 3 times.

Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

#106
as an intern, you're almost functionally useless to your desk. You're not really adding anything, you're not really doing anything, you're just one more warm body.

The article makes it sound as if the interns could just play FarmVille all night, as long as they’re at their desk. A lot of people would be doing that anyways at home. Is that a correct assessment?

Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

#107
post #14

People like to dramatize this a bit, I think. First, I'll quibble with the definition of all-nighter: "I ended up doing an all-nighter in my first week as an intern, which is when you start work at nine, you stay until five or six the next morning, you go home, have a quick shower and then head back into the office and continue working." If you leave work at 5 and start at 9, and are sensible and live within 20 minut…

Also:

How many times did you pull a few all-nighters in a row during college? I can't even count.

Enough to realize that it's a really stupid idea (for the same reasons everyone else is saying), like a whole lot of other stupid things one does during those years. Like drinking before your midterm, or waking up in bed with someone without being able to remember, for the life of you, how you got there, or why.

Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

#109

This is stupid behavior from the banking people. Don't they realize that they are less productive working all-nighters?

The product is billable hours in a lot of cases. Productivity doesn't matter.

Sounds like an industry ripe for disruption then....

Re: Pushed to the limit as a banking intern

#110
post #14

People like to dramatize this a bit, I think. First, I'll quibble with the definition of all-nighter: "I ended up doing an all-nighter in my first week as an intern, which is when you start work at nine, you stay until five or six the next morning, you go home, have a quick shower and then head back into the office and continue working." If you leave work at 5 and start at 9, and are sensible and live within 20 minut…

> Second, how many times did you pull a few all-nighters in a row during college? I can't even count. I certainly didn't die.

Never have, never will.

So as long as you don't die doing something, it's okay?

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