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There Is No Homework In Finland

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Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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Except you read all the comments in that article and the people from Finland all say they do have homework. While not as linkbaity perhaps it should be retitled, "Finland has an excellent education system."

School sucks in Finland too, it just might suck a bit less than in some countries.

- A finn

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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Awesome - and I agree other countries could learn a thing or two from Finland (and other apparent successes.)

What's left out of the analysis is the cost, especially the cost per student. That would include the fully subsidized master's degrees for teachers. In the US the spending per student can be pretty high in some areas, but performance seems low.

Does anyone have a fairly detailed comparison of education practices, spending, and outcomes from various countries?

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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post #6

Except you read all the comments in that article and the people from Finland all say they do have homework. While not as linkbaity perhaps it should be retitled, "Finland has an excellent education system."

I also doubt that the average US 5th grader has 50 minutes of homework every day.

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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I'm Finnish, and saying that there's no homework is utter misinformation. You do have time to do exercises during the class, and if you're fast, you could end up having no school work but not always. And this is mostly before high school. After that you definitely get homework.

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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In Finland, teachers are selected from the top 10% of college graduates.[1] In the US, nearly half of all new teachers come from the bottom third of college graduates.[2] Homework or no homework, Finnish students are learning directly from -- and personally interacting with -- some of the brightest minds in their country, every day. -- [1] http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands... [2] http://www…

My guess is that you cannot replicate that model in US because salary differences between private companies and universities are abysmal. In finland being selected to have the opportunity to become a teacher is an honor and you quality of life will not be much different than the one you'll get if you choose the private sector. In the US being on the top 10% of your college puts you in a really advantageous position for a much better paid job in the private sector.

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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There's so much wrong with that infographic I don't even know where to start.

There is homework in Finland. I have no clue where that idea came from. The Finnish education system doesn't really match up well enough with the USA that "high school" can be compared. A Finnish student typically starts elementary school at 7, and spends 6 years in lower elementary. Then they move to upper elementary and spend 3 years there. This is where the "responsibility to learn" ends, and every school past that is voluntary. Past those 9 years, students generally choose between vocational school or a lukio, which is sort of like high school that provides general teaching. I have no clue what that 93% number means, but it is certainly not "proportion of age class that completes lukio", as less than that sign up for one.

Finnish PISA scores, and all other lower educational metrics are anomalously high when compared to similar peers worldwide. A lot of things are pointed out as reasons for this, but most of those features are also valid, for example, for other Nordic countries whose students don't perform nearly as well.

Personally, I think the difference is mostly the language. Finnish language is notoriously hard to learn, but Finnish written language is very regular and phonetic. This means that elementary school students spend a lot less time learning to read and write than students in almost any other countries. This saves much time at an early age, which can then be used to learn other useful subjects, giving Finnish students a head start on their foreign peers. A lot of us, including me, actually taught ourselves to read before school with little more than repeatedly annoying our parents by asking "What does this letter sound like?".

Then again, I might just be another idiot assigning my pet cause for a measured effect of uncertain origin.

I wonder how students fare in other countries with phonetic written languages? As I understand, Turkey is one, and their scores are not very high. Could someone describe the Turkish education system a little?

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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post #11
post #6

Except you read all the comments in that article and the people from Finland all say they do have homework. While not as linkbaity perhaps it should be retitled, "Finland has an excellent education system."

School sucks in Finland too, it just might suck a bit less than in some countries. - A finn

Care to elaborate?

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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post #13
post #6

Except you read all the comments in that article and the people from Finland all say they do have homework. While not as linkbaity perhaps it should be retitled, "Finland has an excellent education system."

I also doubt that the average US 5th grader has 50 minutes of homework every day.

I don't know what the actual average is but as a parent of middle-schoolers that sounds right. I've always fought my kids' teachers to keep them from wasting too much time doing homework but if I didn't they'd probably have at least this much. A friend of my wife had to email her son's 6th grade teacher the other day explaining that the son was sent to bed early and could "only" spend 4 hours on the homework that _day_.

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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Interesting about the Master's Degree. In the U.S. teacher education seems unrelated to performance, including Master's Degrees. Which isn't how it should be. It makes me wonder if one of our great flaws here is in how we teach teachers.

If you have seen what constitutes a "masters" degree for teachers you wouldn't be surprised. Honors high school courses are more rigorous. This is not an exaggeration. My wife has taken several "masters" level teaching courses. They were easier than all of the intro level classes at our undergraduate college.

The flaw is this: We need a certain number of teachers. Teachers are required to get a masters degree or they stop getting raises. So teaching colleges make it easy for anybody to get teaching masters degrees.

Re: There Is No Homework In Finland

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According to the article, 7% of Finnish children don't graduate high school, compared to 25% of US children. 22% of US children live in poverty. 4% of Finnish children live in poverty.[1] Strange. Furthermore, it's my personal policy that anyone who creates an infographic with a bar graph that starts at 520 and goes up to 570 should be ignored. Either they are trying to intentionally skew interpretation of the data b…

Yes, Finland is a great country to live in. Also Sweden, Norway and Denmark. But people start loosing interest the moment you mention taxation.

This things don't come cheap and in the US is hard to sell the idea of "high taxes = better quality of life".

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