> TechCrunch issued an apology Sunday for the "two misogynistic presentations," app is sexist yeah, but how is looking at tits misogynistic ?
The reduction of women to a collection of body parts is often seen as a form of dislike for holistic femaleness -- it robs a person of their humanity. 3rd wave feminism might disagree with this to a point, but the 1st wave certainly wouldn't.
Whose side would Freud be on? See: 'Partial Object', particularly its canonical example.
Best comment on the article from Bob Costas... For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social s…
> The reason why you get push-back from males from the industry when it comes to involving more women in tech isn't because they have some "jock, locker room, and frat" mentality that women are somehow mentally inferior to males and aren't capable of understanding tech. > Its because they don't think women in general have the fortitude nor the willingness to not shower for days and be content with not going outside w…
What would you say the NBA prizes, fortitude or height? One to a point - the other immeasurably.
It should be noted that the two moderators issued a "what the hell were you thinking?" statement and apology immediately after the hack was presented.
It wasn't immediate, otherwise both Titstare and Circle Shake wouldn't have been able to present. And it was clear- they reacted after they saw the reaction on Twitter. Not after they saw the presentations themselves. If you had those opinions all along how could you stand on a stage and say "up next, Titstare" without even blinking?
See other reply for order-of-events.
Apparently per their Facebook apology, Titstare entered under a different name, with the Titstare name first being seen in the slide deck.
Interesting that HN keeps killing threads on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6360328 A stubborn refusal to confront the problem is what helps these attitudes fester.
There's not much new that can be said, and the threads are always full of people with weird, vile, opinions bickering about what is or isn't acceptable behaviour, coming up with bizarre scenarios for why it's actually fine to call a woman a stupid cunt in the workplace.
Exactly. These threads do nothing but give everybody (involved, or otherwise) a platform on which to pat their own back.
Best comment on the article from Bob Costas... For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social s…
This was more or less the argument against women in the armed forces, too. You know, it's not that they're stupid, it's just that they're just too dainty and precious for our rough and tumble profession.
> TechCrunch issued an apology Sunday for the "two misogynistic presentations," app is sexist yeah, but how is looking at tits misogynistic ?
The reduction of women to a collection of body parts is often seen as a form of dislike for holistic femaleness -- it robs a person of their humanity. 3rd wave feminism might disagree with this to a point, but the 1st wave certainly wouldn't.
Meanwhile, women in blue collar environments joke about men staring at their breasts, butts, and whatever else, engage in the same sort of rude banter as men, and are generally accepted as strong and capable. At least that is what I have seen at the railroad where my mother works, where women are not demeaned by their coworkers and do not feel that their work environmental is "hostile." Jokes about body parts are a bit immature but they come with the territory in certain lines of work -- and as long as both male and female anatomy get equal time, I do not think one can make a claim that there is some kind of sexism.
Best comment on the article from Bob Costas... For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social s…
Its because they don't think women in general have the fortitude nor the willingness to not shower for days and be content with not going outside while living off cold pizza. [...] instead of women decrying these prevailing attitudes in tech they should embrace these traits. You really don't see the inherent contradiction there? The first half says the problem is assumptions by men about what women will or will not d…
>Who says women do not have the fortitude to not shower for days and live off cold pizza?
Why is everything always about what people are 'saying'? "Who says girls can't play football." Nobody, in the most exacting, chokingly literal sense. Nonetheless, my lived experiences suggest to me that if I want to start a football team, there are better and worse places to look for teammates. If you think that's a political stance, well, I respectfully disagree.
I don't know if I'd agree this is a freedom of speech issue compared to that article (which I've also read, it's great), there's very little the app is trying to say (other than "hey this is me staring at boobs") which is pushing the freedom of speech argument a little far.
How is "staring at boobs" bad?
That's quite a loaded question, obviously boobs hold a point of attraction for men as we often like them and you know, they're there, but if you're making an app of you staring at boobs it goes from a fleeting thing to more a situation where you've just turned that lady in an object. That's not super awesome.
Look, I like boobs as much as the next guy, but there's got to be a line where we go from "yay boobs are awesome" to "okay this is a bit creepy".
On top of being embarrassed for doing this on stage, these people should be embarrassed for presenting such a fucking dumb idea for a hackathon. On an 100% unrelated note, Adria Richards has transitioned from "Technology Evangelist" to "Programmer"?
Her title is a bit of minutia, and to be fair I believe she does write code. I don't know if she does so professionally, but I'd imagine it's more than enough to be accurately referred to as a programmer in the context of a hackathon.