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Sexism In The Tech Industry Takes Center Stage

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Re: Sexism In The Tech Industry Takes Center Stage

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post #22

Interesting that HN keeps killing threads on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6360328 A stubborn refusal to confront the problem is what helps these attitudes fester.

(edit: this thread has, indeed, been voted off the front page once again.)

I expect this will be voted off too, it already seems to be lower-placed than it ought to be given the number of upvotes. I posted (what I though to be) a very interesting article on Popehat about free speech and the costs contained within a few days ago:

http://www.popehat.com/2013/09/10/speech-and-consequences/

Unfortunately it talked about the Business Insider issue, so was immediately flagged off the front page.

Re: Sexism In The Tech Industry Takes Center Stage

#52
post #22

Interesting that HN keeps killing threads on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6360328 A stubborn refusal to confront the problem is what helps these attitudes fester.

HN has a very thin veneer of professionalism and intelligence only kept in place by the severely limited range of topics we can comment on.

If you read any political, social, gender or non-STEM science based comments (prior to the story being killed) you get the same disgusting mix of sexism, racism, and general ignorance you'd find on reddit. Luckily for HN's image the flag feature quickly hides such ugliness.

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post #39

Best comment on the article from Bob Costas... For years people (and yes, mostly guys) who were involved in the tech industry and engineering in general were shunned and dismissed by culture at large to be losers and sexual non-entities and therefore lacking in social currency. As a result of this mass dismissal and social rejection, and since most women aren't raised or brought up to deal with rejection and social s…

Exactly. See "Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution" for many examples of the early days of computing.

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#56

Commented earlier on another Women In Tech thread (seems to be the meme of the day). The question is not "Why are there so few women in IT?", it's "Why are so many men in IT such jerks?"

My question is, what kind of jerk would brand a whole field as sexist because of the sensationally bad behavior of two people?

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#57
post #19

Let our inner knee-jerk selves remember the ``Why defend freedom of icky speech?'' [1]. [1] http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-...

If breasts and masturbation are icky speech, there is a bigger problem. Juvenile, silly, and unprofessional seem to be better adjectives than sexist or "icky."

We had a word for this in the 90s, and it was called political correctness. These are things, if you discuss or participate in, ruin your ability to hold elected office.

Social media rewards controversy. If you want to make a name for yourself, get new twitter followers, or more links to your blog, there is no other way that is easier and delivers more volume. Techcrunch has benefited from creating their own controversies for years.

I'm disturbed that kids are growing up believing jokes about boobs or masturbation are wrong. That is not a future society that will think the First Amendment is one worth keeping.

Re: Sexism In The Tech Industry Takes Center Stage

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post #19

Let our inner knee-jerk selves remember the ``Why defend freedom of icky speech?'' [1]. [1] http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-...

Freedom of speech isn't relevant in this situation. The government isn't saying that you can't make a "stare at boobs" apps. The issue is about what behaviors we want to encourage and endorse in a private (EDIT: private as in not part of the government) and professional environment.

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post #19

Let our inner knee-jerk selves remember the ``Why defend freedom of icky speech?'' [1]. [1] http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-...

It's not a freedom of speech issue - it's just about avoiding doing things that detract from other people's experience of the event/the industry/etc.

If someone had come to the conference and broadcast music that was far, far too loud and which obviously impeded people's experience of the conference, nobody would be defending them. What these guys are doing isn't a lot different.

The kids angle is fairly important - I got a lot of value from hanging out at os2 and linux user groups when I was young. Professional orgs and conferences can be an escape from the heavily stratified world kids are stuck in for most of their lives, and help people develop interests early.

Re: Sexism In The Tech Industry Takes Center Stage

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post #19

Let our inner knee-jerk selves remember the ``Why defend freedom of icky speech?'' [1]. [1] http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-...

You misunderstand what freedom of speech means.

http://www.popehat.com/2013/09/10/speech-and-consequences/

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