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Teenagers and the Internet

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Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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If I live outside of the UK, what's the right way to go about seeing "In Real Life" legally? There appears to have been a showing at the Toronto International Film Festival on Monday, but apart from that there appears to be nothing.

Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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" My generation (approaching 30) were among the first to have always on, reasonably high speed internet and yes that did mean easy access to pornography but despite that the majority of us are in long term relationships." My impression is that this generation has historical low levels of involvement in long term relationships and family formation (not arguing that causality is internet porn ---> people don't get marr…

Sure, marriage does seem to be down amongst the people I know in long term relationships but that mostly seems to be (in my circle) down to apathy about the concept, as they deem it pointless. "Who needs paper and a £10k party to show your love?" sort of thing. There's a big melting pot of changes in our society, and I do think the internet has played a part as has changing opinions on religion, finance and wealth an…

I don't have links on the tip of my fingers, but my impression is that family formation among young people is down, and its not simply a matter of symantics

I'm not even a believer that that's necessarly a terrible thing

but I do think its a real trend, not just otherwise committed people deciding that they don't need a piece of paper

I think internet == food is the right analogy, too much of certain types of internet usage seems obviously not healthy for you, I think as a culture we should make efforts to make sure that message is widely dessiminated

Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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Free and unlimited access to hardcore pornography of any type when you are in your early teens is relatively new. No generation has been exposed to such a stream of heavily sexualized content before, both online and offline. I mean the porn of 50 years ago seems tame by todays standards. Exposing children to such adult themes before they have even fully developed can't be a good thing.

Saying it can't be a good thing without even providing a reason is not constructive. It could very easily be a good thing.

My biggest concern is that it shows many things as normal and healthy that aren't. Warning - intimate details lie ahead.

As an example - in recent years, this has become increasingly common: women fellating until they gag, almost vomit, drool mucousy streams of saliva all over their partner's genitals, and then slurp it all back up. Most of them look truly miserable while they're doing it.

The guys look like they think it's awesome - never mind the discomfort they allow to be caused to their partner, regardless of how good it might feel.

I can't rule out that it's possible there are women who do enjoy almost tossing their cookies during sex acts. But I am pretty comfortable in believing that most don't. You and I know that. Most people not raised on this variety of porn know that.

Yet now we'll have a generation of kids being shown that women should do this, and they'll be seeing this before they even reach puberty. We're not talking fringe stuff that someone will find, make a decision about, and either look for more of it or not. This is in 'mainstream' porn. Showing young kids that it's normal and expected. And because most people don't do much talking about sex with their offspring, there won't be anybody who tells them differently.

Besides, from ghastly^H^H^H^H^H^H^H sultry smiles on the faces of the women after the fact, it's clear that they really must have enjoyed it.

Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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I've had the internet for twenty years (since I was 8) and computer access since I was 3. Most of my friends had access since they were 10 or 11. We turned out fine. Some kids who have poor role models are going to ask for oral sex from boys or girls that like them. This was true 3000 years ago. It is true today. It will be true twenty years from now regardless of what silly idea the person who made the documentary h…

I'm very upset that this is the top comment on here. 14 year old teenagers are definitely children and they do need to be protected by law from predators. Just because they are old enough to have children of their own doesn't make them adults. Is not OK for sites or individuals to be collecting sexual images of children and distributing them. Also, to all you folks on here saying that this is all fear mongering to ta…

> It is very rude to sit at the dinner table with people and be interacting with your mobile device rather than your real life companions.

Right, and whose responsibility is it to make sure that children grow up knowing using their mobile phone at the dining table is wrong?

Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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I've had the internet for twenty years (since I was 8) and computer access since I was 3. Most of my friends had access since they were 10 or 11. We turned out fine. Some kids who have poor role models are going to ask for oral sex from boys or girls that like them. This was true 3000 years ago. It is true today. It will be true twenty years from now regardless of what silly idea the person who made the documentary h…

Free and unlimited access to hardcore pornography of any type when you are in your early teens is relatively new. No generation has been exposed to such a stream of heavily sexualized content before, both online and offline. I mean the porn of 50 years ago seems tame by todays standards. Exposing children to such adult themes before they have even fully developed can't be a good thing.

When you lived in a roundhouse 3000 years ago with all your family in 1 room you didn't see anything sexual?

Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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> They arn't children. They are teenagers. Have you ever met a teenager? They're fucking idiotic. That's why we don't let them drink alcohol or vote or get married or have sex or join the army or a bunch of other stuff. > You know those dirty letters you got from your sweetheart when you were 17? Sexting is the same damn thing. No it isn't. A dirty letter is a dirty letter. A photo sent via sms has lasting consequenc…

So, you are in favor of the current remediation against teenagers that sext, which is generally to bring the recipient up on charges of possession of child pornography and the sender on charges of making and distributing child pornography? Such felony convictions will have far more ramifications that the act itself ever could.

That doesn't happen in my country. The US legal system is a cluster fuck of horrible practice, and it's not just weird application of sexting laws that's the problem.

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I'm very upset that this is the top comment on here. 14 year old teenagers are definitely children and they do need to be protected by law from predators. Just because they are old enough to have children of their own doesn't make them adults. Is not OK for sites or individuals to be collecting sexual images of children and distributing them. Also, to all you folks on here saying that this is all fear mongering to ta…

I think part of the problem is this binary label of children | not-children, which then gives rise to infantilizing treatment. The post you're responding to was splitting the spectrum into at least three parts, children | teenagers | adults, while you're arguing for children | adults - or at least that's how it looks. But I think you're on the wrong track there. Something that is closer to modelling a spectrum is bet…

But laws tend not to involve vague undefined gradients - and when they do people complain.

Thus: You can drive when you're X, even if some people are perfectly capable of driving earlier and others need a few years to mature.

Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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I've always thought the problem was letting kids alone on the net. You wouldn't let you kid alone in a shaddy neighborhood for hours without checking up on them, would you? So why do exactly that with the internet?

I think the main problem with the web is that it makes you lose your right to be forgotten. Think of those kids who post stupid videos of themselves on youtube that go viral. It won't go away, people will be able to find that 10, 20 years from now in New York, Paris or Tokyo.

Re: Teenagers and the Internet

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I've had the internet for twenty years (since I was 8) and computer access since I was 3. Most of my friends had access since they were 10 or 11. We turned out fine. Some kids who have poor role models are going to ask for oral sex from boys or girls that like them. This was true 3000 years ago. It is true today. It will be true twenty years from now regardless of what silly idea the person who made the documentary h…

>> Most of my friends had access since they were 10 or 11. We turned out fine. Much akin to "when we were kids we rode in the front seat without seat belts on, we turned out fine", and several other versions of that phrase. I don't think it's a valid argument at all.

I think someone was forced to sit in the back seat with seat belts on as a child.
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