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Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

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post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second photo that we later realized we had was one a teammate had taken himself and didn't have anyone else in it. I think it was doable with just 1 photo, and I'm not ready to share with Justin how the 2nd photo helped. :)

But it had _something else_ in it... A credit card slip with her name on it perhaps?

In a single picture where she was a random bystander? Unlikely that you'd be able to read anything that had her name on it, unless it was an actual name tag. Even then, people don't generally stand very still for photos that are taken of other people.

Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

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post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sophistry [ˈsɒfɪstrɪ] n pl -ries 1. (Philosophy) a. a method of argument that is seemingly plausible though actually invalid and misleading b. the art of using such arguments 2. subtle but unsound or fallacious reasoning 3. an instance of this; sophism

Your reply appears to accuse the parent of sophistry, but you provide an even worse argument for your claim than the parent does. It is not obvious to me how posting the definition of “stalk”, according to which the bet was not stalking, is an invalid or misleading argument.

I am directly accusing the parent of sophistry by selecting to post a definition of "stalking" that required malicious intent if not violence when that is not the totality of the definition, is not consistent with Merriam-Webster or Oxford dictionary and seeks to excuse their behavior by the omission. .

But you knew that.

Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in the other post, you said you inadverdently realized you had a second photo of the target (which presumably contained key identifying info)...so, are you saying here that that second photo didn't come from investigating the event that she was at (i.e., if it had a meetup/lanyrd page, looking at all the attendee photos and seeing what looked like her?)

The second photo that we later realized we had was one a teammate had taken himself and didn't have anyone else in it. I think it was doable with just 1 photo, and I'm not ready to share with Justin how the 2nd photo helped. :)

Sorority/college sweater?

Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

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> - None of her information has been posted online. You are totally lying. I just saw your other comment on this where you admitted you posted her pic in a Facebook ad. I will quote: >This is the closest I've heard to one of the ideas that we expected to work, so I'll share. >- Create an ad on Facebook with her picture. >- Target people that went to her high school within 4 years of the range of years we thought she…

I think the engineer was not stalking her in any sense that matters. Looking up information on someone could be considered “stalking”, but if there was no likely bad outcome from it, then it’s harmless. In the same way, sneaking into a movie theater without a ticket is usually a bad thing, but if you actually bought a ticket and then you accidentally dropped your ticket in the gutter, your sneaking in is moral and ac…

You just contradicted your claim that no privacy violations would occur.

You say no privacy violations "were going to result from this type of information-gathering". However you then concede that it resulted in a "privacy leak in that they showed Facebook users from her high school her picture," mentioning several reasons why the target may find this invasive. You frame it as "unintentional", but that is irrelevant; you've contradicted your claim.

I would certainly not argue that the critereon is intent to do physical harm, which is how you define "stalking". Boy, would an awful lot of stalking no longer be considered "stalking" under that definition. By your definition cyberstalking is ok if you only want to date them and/or joke with your bros about it, not rape someone.

Rather the issue is whether the actions of, say, posting your photo in a Facebook ad campaign -- and otherwise pursuing means of "information-gathering" so extraordinary that one needs to post to Hacker News to explain them -- might reasonably considered a willful invasion of a person's privacy. Certainly it could be, and these guys just didn't care, because they're just having a laugh, and she's probably cool with it, and if she's not, well screw her because girls should be cool with that sort of thing.

Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

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post #121

This is obviously a shill post setup to advertise close.io and HN fell right for it. Why would this post be hosted on the close.io blog and not on a personal blog? It has nothing to do with close.io. Why would he mention close.io so many times? Why would he ask about the quality of the "close.io engineers" instead of just his coworker or friend? Smells fishy to me.

I was thinking the same, and expected the answer to be something like "Phil used the API provided by Close.io that invert google picture search and was about to get her name", but it turns out Close.io doesn't do anything related. But yeah, the post clearly emphasizes that they have smart engineers.

Yep. Nothing's as good as finding out someone's name to prove you're good at writing webapps...

oh wait :p

Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You were stalking her. Amusing story though

"stalk [verb] to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc." No, we weren't. And she knew about it, was amused by it herself. No bad intentions.

Taking the third definition of off merriam-webster online doesn't really prove your point here. There is a reason why the title of the op was "Why Engineers Scare Me". I know this was all in good fun but please do understand why this is stalking and how the same technique can be used in very harmful ways.

Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

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post #206

This is obviously a shill post setup to advertise close.io and HN fell right for it. Why would this post be hosted on the close.io blog and not on a personal blog? It has nothing to do with close.io. Why would he mention close.io so many times? Why would he ask about the quality of the "close.io engineers" instead of just his coworker or friend? Smells fishy to me.

I'm with you. I bet these guys though 'titstare' was fracking hysterical, complete with fistbumps. They certainly have the whole "whaaaaaat...we didn't do anything wrong...allow us to rationalize this away" thing down.

You're completely wrong.

Re: Help me figure out how I lost this bet to an engineer

#220

Since the reply is buried down below, here's how they did it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6369859

Actually, if you read the fully reply, that's NOT how they did it. They ended up finding her via another approach. Phil mentioned the other approach which he thought would have worked.

I fell for the same thing, the wording is ambiguous in the first sentence. :)
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