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Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by ekianjo »

laureny wrote: post #70
jerf wrote: post #19

I've slowly been transitioning to Linux-only gaming, because the whole reboot-into-Windows just to play is a pretty steep bar. (Steeper than it even sounds in practice, as now, basically, every time I boot into Windows I have to spend about 10 minutes updating the damn thing, because I don't do it often enough; this has become a vicious cycle.) This bundle is great for that, with all the Linux debuts. Linux gaming is…

I don't see much reason to rejoice, all the games you see running on Linux are not doing so because they were specifically written for Linux but because the developers used Unity or Game Maker. Nothing wrong with that, the more such games the better, but it just speaks volumes to the fact that Linux is as fringe on the desktop as it ever was. Frankly, I don't understand why gamers who happen to use Linux and who love…

Yeah, "source" games run on Unity, maybe? That's a good chunk of all the AAA titles available on Steam for Linux currently, and they run great on Linux.

Besides, I have no headache with my Linux systems. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

#82

Post by shmerl »

ekianjo wrote: post #80
shmerl wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Supporting Steam itself helps DRM proliferation, so I don't use it at all. Indies which are on Steam usually find ways to be distributed outside it in a DRM free fashion (Humble Store, Desura, directly from developers and etc). It's mostly big budget games with Linux versions which appear on Steam lately or plan to appear there that are a problem. Since they are not sold anywhere else. For example while Metro Last Li…

Yeah but GOG clearly said they do not want to support Linux distributions anyway, so I'm not sure what you are hoping for. I prefer supporting Steam which in turn helps more ports to Linux, rather than waiting for something that may never come from GOG.

I won't start using Steam while they drive DRM proliferation (i.e. being very conductive for DRM pushing publishers), it's a deal breaker for me at least.

As for GOG, they didn't say that they don't want to support Linux. They clearly said they want to, but the way they planned it for themselves makes it complex and takes long time to research/develop. While we can disagree with GOG's approach, it's up to them to decide how to enable it. So let's wait and see what they come up with next year.

Humble Bundle didn't reach the scope of GOG yet, plus they don't even have a strict DRM free approach unfortunately. On the other hand they work on real DRM free Linux ports and they always mark which games are DRMed and which are DRM free.

To grade the situation, I'd give Steam very bad, and HB - average mark (DRM wise).

GOG has more resources to be disruptive while being completely DRM free, and to take on Steam in a serious way.

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by ckannan90 »

SEMW wrote: post #72
milesf wrote: post #26

Gotta say I'm really impressed with the Humble Bundles. I buy most of them, and still can't believe how cheap they are, assuming you get in early. Their "unlock more products by paying more than the average" is sheer genius. Most people will pay just a hair over the average, which causes the price to creep up as the bundle gets older. So to get the best deal, you have to buy in early. I don't know of any other bundle…

> So to get the best deal, you have to buy in early. Thanks for the advice. I wouldn't want to give any more to the EFF, Child's Play, or Watsi than I absolutely have to. OK, apologies for the sarcasm, but, well— advice on how to pay as little money as possible, while usually great, strikes me as being in poor taste when the money is going to charity (and/or the indie developers, in whatever proportions you specify).

I don't think he was saying you should pay less. I think it was just an observation that people are compelled to pay now rather than put it off later, because they know the price will rise, which in turn will actually cause the price to rise for the next person. I think he was just observing that it's a smart system that both compels more people to put their money down, and slowly raises the price at the same time.

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by ewzimm »

jerf wrote: post #45
rschmitty wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it's personal preference on your desktop OS, but I stick to Win7 and linux VMs. No rebooting, no wine, all games work :) I'd much rather run VMs for linux stuff than wine for windows stuff. Now if you prefer [insert window manager of your choice] over Win7 then I get ya

"Now if you prefer [insert window manager of your choice]" I've gone deep down that hole. XMonad, fairly custom, custom keyboard layout, custom emacs... occasional light gaming is all I do now that Windows has an advantage for me personally. YMMV. One nice thing about Ubuntu still being based on Debian is that it's easy to install enough to satisfy Steam and all the games, since Ubuntu is what they target, while leav…

Even in Ubuntu 13.04, Steam installs a bunch of Ubuntu 12.04 stuff instead of relying on native libraries. So the Debian base doesn't matter much for compatibility. It's more a matter of packaging it with everything it needs to run on any distro.

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by Fomite »

rschmitty wrote: post #32
jerf wrote: post #19

I've slowly been transitioning to Linux-only gaming, because the whole reboot-into-Windows just to play is a pretty steep bar. (Steeper than it even sounds in practice, as now, basically, every time I boot into Windows I have to spend about 10 minutes updating the damn thing, because I don't do it often enough; this has become a vicious cycle.) This bundle is great for that, with all the Linux debuts. Linux gaming is…

I suppose it's personal preference on your desktop OS, but I stick to Win7 and linux VMs. No rebooting, no wine, all games work :) I'd much rather run VMs for linux stuff than wine for windows stuff. Now if you prefer [insert window manager of your choice] over Win7 then I get ya

This is likely going to be my setup as well - technically running Windows 7, with a Linux VM up whenever I don't need all my system resources for gaming.

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by voltagex_ »

ebroder wrote: post #47
nollidge wrote: post #33

Trying to buy with credit card, and get a message from Stripe saying "you passed an empty string for iovation_blackbox", as if that means something to me. EDIT: Nevermind, just had to pause Ghostery. Not sure what script was messing it up.

Sorry about that! Has to do with some anti-fraud tools we've built into Stripe Checkout. Should be fixed now, so you shouldn't see that again, Ghostery or no. Feel free to let me know (evan@stripe.com) if you (or anyone) still sees it.

Works fine for me with an Australian credit card - didn't see 3D Secure/Mastercard verification though.

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by ameen »

ebroder wrote: post #47
nollidge wrote: post #33

Trying to buy with credit card, and get a message from Stripe saying "you passed an empty string for iovation_blackbox", as if that means something to me. EDIT: Nevermind, just had to pause Ghostery. Not sure what script was messing it up.

Sorry about that! Has to do with some anti-fraud tools we've built into Stripe Checkout. Should be fixed now, so you shouldn't see that again, Ghostery or no. Feel free to let me know (evan@stripe.com) if you (or anyone) still sees it.

Gotta say, no one's kidding when they say Stripe's super responsive to respond, unlike a certain "Pal that doesn't pay!".

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by e2e8 »

shmerl wrote: post #82
ekianjo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but GOG clearly said they do not want to support Linux distributions anyway, so I'm not sure what you are hoping for. I prefer supporting Steam which in turn helps more ports to Linux, rather than waiting for something that may never come from GOG.

I won't start using Steam while they drive DRM proliferation (i.e. being very conductive for DRM pushing publishers), it's a deal breaker for me at least. As for GOG, they didn't say that they don't want to support Linux. They clearly said they want to, but the way they planned it for themselves makes it complex and takes long time to research/develop. While we can disagree with GOG's approach, it's up to them to dec…

As far as I know all the Humble Bundles are completely DRM free excluding the couple big studio windows only bundles. Is that not correct?

Re: Humble Indie Bundle 9 released

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Post by shmerl »

e2e8 wrote: post #89
shmerl wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't start using Steam while they drive DRM proliferation (i.e. being very conductive for DRM pushing publishers), it's a deal breaker for me at least. As for GOG, they didn't say that they don't want to support Linux. They clearly said they want to, but the way they planned it for themselves makes it complex and takes long time to research/develop. While we can disagree with GOG's approach, it's up to them to dec…

As far as I know all the Humble Bundles are completely DRM free excluding the couple big studio windows only bundles. Is that not correct?

What about all these recent Origin/Steam only bundles? They seem to appear more and more often, and they don't look DRM free at all to me. You could note the absence of EFF in the charities there. I guess it's because EFF doesn't want to make it look like they endorse DRM.
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