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Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

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Re: Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

#31

A lot of this is rhetoric that we expect from Realpolitik, but overall, I think Putin burnishes his and Russia's reputation with this sort of dialog. I also wonder how common place it is for major heads of state to write essays in the Times.

I believe you mean, "how commonplace it is for major heads of state to commission PR firms to advance their interests in US media."

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Re: Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

#33

How much evidence do we in fact have that the rebels gassed their own people in a false-flag operation? I had heard it was a possibility, Putin seems to think it's all but certain, but I haven't studied the issue in depth.

It's a pretty common tactic. IIRC, the Nazis allegedly shelled one of their towns and used it as an excuse to invade Poland. The Soviets were rumored to have done the same with Finland.

It may be many things but a common tactic it is not. There might be famous examples in history but their fame is indicative of just how uncommonly it is used.

Re: Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you mean, "how commonplace it is for major heads of state to commission PR firms to advance their interests in US media."

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Don't worry, the richness of Vladimir Putin saying that "the law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not" is not lost on me.

Re: Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

#35
"There is every reason to believe [sarin gas] was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists."

Obama asserted something quite different in last night's address. He stated that the Syrian army distributed gas masks to their soldiers before the attacks, that documents show Syrian generals reviewing the results after the attack, and that they planned to continue and expand the attack after the initial wave of gas was used. I would tend to believe Obama because he is much more credible than Putin, and has much more to lose if he can't produce evidence to support his claims.

Despite Putin's call for transparency, the fact remains that he is unwilling to tell the truth about what happened. Syria broke one of the most important international laws that we have, which is the ban of chemical weapons. If they aren't punished, then we are telling the world that it is OK to use chemical weapons.

Putin claims that the United States' position with Iran will be weakened if we intervene. The opposite is clearly true; our prior negotiations with Syria over their acquisition of chemical weapons in many ways mirrors our ongoing negotiations with Iran. We told Syria there was a red line and they crossed it. If we don't intervene in Syria, we are effectively telling Iran that our word is meaningless.

Putin's claims that an intervention will cause an escalation of the conflict and more terrorism are simply not true. The goal would not be to upset the balance of power or to cripple the Syrian army in any way.

Our objective would be to prevent the Syrian army from using chemical weapons again, and show the world that chemical weapons are unacceptable. Intervention would lower the risk of chemical weapons being used in the future, help discourage nuclear proliferation, and prevent the U.S.'s credibility in the region from being destroyed.

Re: Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a pretty common tactic. IIRC, the Nazis allegedly shelled one of their towns and used it as an excuse to invade Poland. The Soviets were rumored to have done the same with Finland.

It may be many things but a common tactic it is not. There might be famous examples in history but their fame is indicative of just how uncommonly it is used.

Which American city will the CIA nuke to push us all into war?

Re: Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

#39

How much evidence do we in fact have that the rebels gassed their own people in a false-flag operation? I had heard it was a possibility, Putin seems to think it's all but certain, but I haven't studied the issue in depth.

The US claims to have evidence (a phone call, I think?) within the Syrian Army saying that they used chemical weapons. Not sure if it's ever been released, though - I certainly haven't heard so.

Re: Putin: A Plea for Caution From Russia

#40
I agree with what he says here but I wonder what his true motivation is. You can see that he wants a strong and stable power in Syria. Easier to deal with and less risk than all these rebels, who in all likelihood will turn out to be either pro-US or fundamentalists, neither of which is good for Russia.
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