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Apple’s “Windows 95″ Problem

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Re: Apple’s “Windows 95″ Problem

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Post by noir_lord »

saturdaysaint wrote: post #77
noir_lord wrote: post #68

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> Good for you. Premium products are not for everyone. Ouch, you are off course right, my nexus 4 only has 1280x768 screen vs the 960x640 screen in your 4S and as a non-premium product owner I only get 110% the talktime and a piddling 200% standby time plus your premium product has a full 512Mb RAM vs the miniscule 2Gb in my non-premium product and the 0.3 megapixel front camera vs the 1.3megapixel camera in mine is…

I own a new Nexus 7 and its interface still feels gummy and slow compared to my 3 year old iPhone 4S. The iPhone 5 is in another league. It's amazing that Google really hasn't figured out scrolling. I don't know what good specs are when they don't seem to translate to performance. The Play Store is alright, but it's like going from HBO to cable - it literally looks like the iOS store a year ago. Games and music creat…

I've played with an iPhone 4S and I found the fluidity of the interface excellent at the time and better than Android (back then) but since Project Butter I've not noticed the N4 or N7 feeling gummy or slow.

It's interesting how subjective this stuff is, I find the interface on Mac OS-X (which my business partner uses) slow and counter-intuitive while he finds the interface of Mint XFCE the same, I wonder if lack of familiarity plays a part perhaps.

Re: Apple’s “Windows 95″ Problem

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hazov wrote: post #75
[deleted] wrote: post #71

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I didn't said it was, but if you think their high margins can be sustained forever then I think the discussion is over and you're just cheering for Apple, nothing wrong with that, but it's not what I think is sensible for people to do, cheer for Apple, Google, MS or whatever.

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Re: Apple’s “Windows 95″ Problem

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Post by mattkevan »

I don't understand why people expect Apple to release a market-shaking new product every year and are actively disappointed and say things like 'Apple are done innovating' when it doesn't happen.

This is not how it works.

Firstly, products that go to new places take a long time to get right. Apple worked on the iPhone and iPad for years before they were released. In fact Apple started on the iPad before the iPhone.

Secondly, if there's too many changes too quickly any impact each may have is lessened. If in 2007 after releasing the iPhone Apple's management said 'Right, we've done this touch screen stuff. Let's come up with a different interface method', the iPhone (and touchscreen computing in general) would not be the force it is today.

Implications of each change need time to sink in and be explored properly.

Thirdly, it's not how Apple works. They come up with a new product category once or twice a decade and iterate on it annually year until it becomes mature.

Fourthly, who knows what else Apple's been working on over the last few years? The attitude assumes that there's nothing more going on, that some of the world's brightest people with practically unlimited resources are just watching cat videos all day.

Now Apple may well be done innovating, but for the author to say that without any actual knowledge seems hasty, and more like he's disappointed he didn't get a pony.

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Post by JohnTHaller »

grandalf wrote: post #73
JohnTHaller wrote: post #67

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We were discussing quality and innovation. If you want to talk sales, Android smartphones had nearly 5x the sales of iOS smartphones last quarter.

Have you ever been to a Verizon, T-Mobile, or AT&T store? There are commissioned salespeople ready to lie about the phone and sell a contract. I'd guess that 80% of Android purchasers didn't really buy the phone, someone aggressively sold it to them, and, especially if it was a cheapo phone with lots of carrier add-ons, they probably hate it and are resentful of being locked into the contract. Chances are few of them…

And, at the same time, Verizon was forced to push the iPhone to customers who otherwise wouldn't want it because they had to buy a certain number to get Apple to let them sell the iPhone in store... and Verizon is on the hook for upwards of $14,000,000,000 to pay for all those phones even if they can't sell them. (Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/12/links-12-... ) So, it cuts both ways. And Apple diehards have been using the argument about unhappy Android users getting out of contracts and begging for iPhones for years now.

Again, we were originally talking about the quality of high-end Android phones (to compare apples to Apples instead of comparing high-end/expensive iPhones to low-end/inexpensive Android phones) and someone tried to move the goal posts of the conversation to talk about sales (which Android also wins). Are you looking to move the goal posts yet again or can we end this?

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Post by grandalf »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #84
grandalf wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever been to a Verizon, T-Mobile, or AT&T store? There are commissioned salespeople ready to lie about the phone and sell a contract. I'd guess that 80% of Android purchasers didn't really buy the phone, someone aggressively sold it to them, and, especially if it was a cheapo phone with lots of carrier add-ons, they probably hate it and are resentful of being locked into the contract. Chances are few of them…

And, at the same time, Verizon was forced to push the iPhone to customers who otherwise wouldn't want it because they had to buy a certain number to get Apple to let them sell the iPhone in store... and Verizon is on the hook for upwards of $14,000,000,000 to pay for all those phones even if they can't sell them. (Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/12/links-12-... ) So, it cuts both ways. And App…

That was so that Verizon could get the exclusive deal...

I'm rooting for Android, but I seriously question any product where phones with abysmal battery life routinely ship.

Most recent data point: Friend was using my old iPhone 4S and recently switched to a Nexus 4 after the price drop. The 4S was over two years old and his experience with the brand new nexus has been noticeably inferior battery life. Same app usage pattern, etc.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

grandalf wrote: post #70
AJ007 wrote: post #62

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I think the previous commentor's thoughts may have been correct a few years back. The most recent generation of Android phones and tablets are fantastic. At $230 for the Nexus 7, both the iPad mini and iPad just don't make any sense to purchase, short of the buyer already having a huge library of iOS apps. Apple still has great potential. There should be a formidable alternative to Android even if it is a closed plat…

I haven't used the latest version of the Nexus 7, but the previous version is not even comparable to the iPad in terms of usability for web browsing.

I'd rather have a Nexus 7 2012 for internet browsing than an iPad 2. The iPad 2 has a better screen and 10" is better than 7" for browsing, but the way tabs keep getting discarded from memory make it very painful to use when you have a poor internet connection.

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Post by grandalf »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #86
grandalf wrote: post #70

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I haven't used the latest version of the Nexus 7, but the previous version is not even comparable to the iPad in terms of usability for web browsing.

I'd rather have a Nexus 7 2012 for internet browsing than an iPad 2. The iPad 2 has a better screen and 10" is better than 7" for browsing, but the way tabs keep getting discarded from memory make it very painful to use when you have a poor internet connection.

True, but you can download google chrome for IOS to solve that problem.

Re: Apple’s “Windows 95″ Problem

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Post by chmars »

noir_lord wrote: post #68
chmars wrote: post #59

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> As someone who already owns a Nexus 4 and a 1st gen Nexus 7 they are already a > commodity, I bought my N4 for half what an iPhone 5 costs. Good for you. Premium products are not for everyone. Part of the Apple premium products is for example that I can simply walk into the next Apple Store to get support in case of any problems. From my home, I can reach two Apple Stores by public transport in about 30 minutes, fo…

> Good for you. Premium products are not for everyone. Ouch, you are off course right, my nexus 4 only has 1280x768 screen vs the 960x640 screen in your 4S and as a non-premium product owner I only get 110% the talktime and a piddling 200% standby time plus your premium product has a full 512Mb RAM vs the miniscule 2Gb in my non-premium product and the 0.3 megapixel front camera vs the 1.3megapixel camera in mine is…

> That sounds premium to me.

That's OK, of course, your mileage may (and apparently does) vary.

Service is very important to me. As described in my example: I destroyed an expensive smartphone and Apple allowed me to replace my smartphone for 30% of the original price on the same day.

I need a working smartphone all the time, I don't have to know the exact technical specifications. I don't need an open platform with only theoretical advantages and I'm willing (and able) to pay for a premium product. Again, there's no right or wrong in my opinion.

BTW, when I checked the N4 prices, I didn't find a 64 GB version. That makes a price comparison between your N4 and my (now former) iPhone 4S of course difficult.

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