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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by minor_nitwit »

simonholroyd wrote: post #217
pilif wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that I can't change my fingerprint. If it gets out by some third-party abusing the secret backdoor (or just abusing whatever other place you have your fingerprint stored), then they can potentially forge your fingerprint when committing a crime or when otherwise attempting to access resources you have access to. When a third-party loses your password, you change it and life goes on (you are not reusing…

>> I'm very careful with my fingerprints. What does that even mean? You wear gloves in public all the time? You wipe down everything you touch? Which makes me wonder, aren't one's finger prints all over your iPhone exterior anyway. If someone steals one's phone wouldn't it be easier to dust it for prints than crack the security on the digital copy?

Which makes the idea of a fingerprint reader on a phone somewhat nonsensical. Your password is all over the phone, and Mythbusters has proven how easy these are to fake.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by mattermill »

dev_jim wrote: post #166
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Urgh. When do we get to the point where I can read HN without a snarky NSA comment being voted to the top?

I detect 0 snark.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by JohnTHaller »

mmanfrin wrote: post #240

In most previous Apple iterations, when they release a cheaper/multi-colored version of a flagship product, they also release a new (more premium) product line. This time they didn't. This is disappointing to Americans (hence the drop in share price) but also shows Tim's direction: China. His expertise in the company under Jobs was in supply chains and Asia, and now he is orienting (pun not intended) the company towa…

It may show Tim's direction toward China, but it also shows Apple's lack of full understanding of the Chinese market in that the iPhone 5C is priced at US$733 at launch in China. I'm sure they'll get some sales with the fake gold on the 5S Tacky Edition, though.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by JohnTHaller »

Pxtl wrote: post #83

I'm still weirded out by the idea that Apple has finally split the iPhone line into "premium" and "value" streams. It just seems so... un-Apple. The whole "last-year's-model" discount was a bit of a kludge, but still Apple stood out from the rest of the industry with such a simple product line - device, biannual release, size, that's it.

You can console yourself with the fact that the 5C isn't a value stream since it's priced the same as premium Android phones with better screens, processors, etc.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

nutate wrote: post #61
rodedwards wrote: post #53

Better photos, TouchID, snappier performance -- a traditional incremental Apple upgrade befitting the "S" moniker. I've long been wondering when/if Apple would take on NFC and things like payments more aggressively. I get the feeling that they're going to skip NFC entirely, and that TouchID is going to be a large part of processing transactions without the need for any physical device interaction (swipe/tap/bump). Ri…

The new PayPal Beacon works with bluetooth LE... NFC seems like a step back from that.

NFC is rather different from bluetooth and hence not really comparable for many use cases.

Primarily, NFC is much lower power consumption than bluetooth, much smaller field, and much lower data/bandwidth. NFC is more in the category of RFID.

Secondly, NFC tags are unpowered and rely on the reader for energy. They store several dozen bytes up to several thousand bytes and are useful for QR-style applications, like "Tap here for our address" and so forth. I did up some business cards with tappable tags on the back that take a device to my website. They also make tags fully embedded in paper and cardboard for cosmetic appeal.

NFC tags are very cheap, on the order of a few cents each up to a dollar each, and are therefore well suited to the smart objects applications such as, for example, tapping a pill bottle to retrieve non-trivial amounts of information about the medicine, or storing identity information on personal possessions.

Really, the applications are endless. I think Apple has missed the ball on this one. They should have included NFC early on. You can buy an iPhone case with NFC, which is useful but of course it's never as good as having it built in.

(Interestingly, the linked article is on TechCrunch, a news website that recently published an article "NFC = No One Fking Cares!". Of course, the author, a journalist apparently with no engineering background, drew a lot of caustic comments for that one, and subsequently I stopped reading that publication. This iPhone 5 article is poorly edited; it's too bad this out of probably dozens of choices is the one that made it into YC.)

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by yapcguy »

laureny wrote: post #537
mikeash wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple laughs at numbers-based ads when they are behind, and play up the numbers when they are ahead. Remember the Pentium snail ads? There's nothing surprising here. They have a spec advantage right now and they're playing it up. If and when they drop behind again, they'll be back to talking about more qualitative aspects.

> they'll be back to talking about more qualitative aspects. The problem is that they hardly have qualitative aspects left that they can claim over the competition. They are engaged in a race to the bottom. When the highlight of the keynote is a feature that has been available on cheap Thinkpads for five years, you wonder if Apple will ever innovate again.

Motorola released an Android phone with fingerprint sensor in 2011. Check out the video.

http://secureidnews.com/news-item/motorola-releases-fingerpr...

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by mburns »

brymaster wrote: post #579
res0nat0r wrote: post #577

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Someone" testified that an American manufacturer planted a back door into "a" product "somewhere". Compelling. So from that you extrapolate all devices made by US companies are secretly under the control of the NSA? Pretty big logical leap there.

I know that you already dismiss the global surveillance from the NSA and other agencies because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides." That leads me to believe that you're either part of an organization that's subverting the internet and assisting the NSA or you're willfully ignorant. Fact is, your other comments point that you have not well-researched the situation. Every week there's a new revelation…

> because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides."

> It's all there out in the open thanks to the documents that have been leaked.

You dismiss his point that unsubstantiated documents is largely the source of all this speculation and then you remake a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, saying they are all proved by the aforementioned documents.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by JohnTHaller »

rjd wrote: post #463
techaddict009 wrote: post #187

Is 5C inspired by Nokia Lumia ? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560515223996127&set=... (Nokia Fanpage)

Or you could reverse the question and ask if the Lumia is inspired by a decade of Apple doing colourful iPod ranges...

Yeah, but Nokia did it with phones first, so Apple should respect that. The same way Apple claims all sorts of things were unique and patentable because they did them on a phone touchscreen and not a PDA touchscreen (which is so TOTALLY different).

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by brymaster »

mburns wrote: post #588
brymaster wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that you already dismiss the global surveillance from the NSA and other agencies because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides." That leads me to believe that you're either part of an organization that's subverting the internet and assisting the NSA or you're willfully ignorant. Fact is, your other comments point that you have not well-researched the situation. Every week there's a new revelation…

> because of your earlier comment "of a few powerpoint slides." > It's all there out in the open thanks to the documents that have been leaked. You dismiss his point that unsubstantiated documents is largely the source of all this speculation and then you remake a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, saying they are all proved by the aforementioned documents.

Nope sorry, nothing from the documents is 'unsubstantiated.'

Even Obama and the NSA itself has backed this up.

They'd been trying to extradite Snowden ffs, get your head out of the sand.

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