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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by marcamillion »

How much weight does the claim that the Touch ID not being stored on Apple's servers really matter?

They claim it is stored on the A7 chip itself. Is that secure enough for us to believe that the NSA can't get access to it?

I am genuinely asking about the security implications.

If all the fingerprints were on iCloud, then all the Feds have to do is force Apple to give them access to their servers.

Having the fingerprint pushed down to each individual device, that seems to be more secure.

But am I just being naive or is that truly more secure?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by raganwald »

stanleydrew wrote: post #213
cheald wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

Now you're making a suggestion that somehow people simply "want to believe it," as if we're wandering around with tinfoil hats muttering on street corners.

At this point, the overwhelming evidence is that we are being spied upon at a scale never seen before in history. Legal checks and balances such as search warrants are consider inconveniences to be routed around with border confiscations.

I would begin to believe things are changing when I see officials on both sides of the Canada-US border going to jail--yes, jail--for things like spying on their ex-spouses or for routing around search warrants.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by raganwald »

melling wrote: post #302
cheald wrote: post #239

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I'm not snarking at all. I'm observing that comments about the NSA are entirely apropos given the current climate we live in. Yes, you're right, at this point, it would take something extremely radical to convince us that the NSA isn't spying on us anymore. Therefore, we should expect comments about the NSA and spying to become a part of the common dialog regarding technology and personal information. Asking them to…

But you are accomplishing absolutely nothing here. Being annoying and ineffective doesn't help your cause. Do you know that Jesus loves you and he wants to save your soul? You might as we'll be discussing religion or politics here. This is not the place. I heard your warning the first ten times.

With all due respect, howling "snark" is at least as annoying and creating at least as much noise. Think about that for a while. There are up and down arrows for expressing your discontent. Everything else--including this--is noise, not signal.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by Samuel_Michon »

rayiner wrote: post #108
Pxtl wrote: post #83

I'm still weirded out by the idea that Apple has finally split the iPhone line into "premium" and "value" streams. It just seems so... un-Apple. The whole "last-year's-model" discount was a bit of a kludge, but still Apple stood out from the rest of the industry with such a simple product line - device, biannual release, size, that's it.

Apple has had premium and value lines before. Indeed, during the heyday of the Macbook, it was split into a premium aluminum and a cheaper polycarbonate model.

> during the heyday of the Macbook, it was split into a premium aluminum and a cheaper polycarbonate model.

The MacBook line wasn’t split. The MacBook Pro is the Intel powered successor to the PowerBook. The MacBook is the Intel powered successor to the iBook.

hey·day: the period of one's greatest popularity, vigor, or prosperity

When the MacBook was introduced, it was way less popular than it is now. Apple sells 2,5 times as many computers than it did back in 2006.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by sytelus »

alexcroox wrote: post #366
swamp40 wrote: post #147

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Well, there has to be some kind of interaction with a Point Of Sale device. Either Bluetooth 4.0 or NFC would suffice. NFC has enough Point Of Sale inroads (esp. in the rest of the world besides the US), that it is a more natural choice. It's possible Apple didn't want to radically redesign the 5S case and internals in the manner necessary to include NFC. But if Apple hasn't implemented NFC by next year's redesign, t…

Didn't Apple say they wouldn't consider NFC until the technology has matured enough not to hammer the battery life so much. As much as I want NFC I'm inclined to agree, if I wanted terrible battery life I'd buy an Android.

Why should it drain battery? Shouldn't NFC be activated only when user interacts with some payment UX on phone?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by threeseed »

cheald wrote: post #320
melling wrote: post #302

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But you are accomplishing absolutely nothing here. Being annoying and ineffective doesn't help your cause. Do you know that Jesus loves you and he wants to save your soul? You might as we'll be discussing religion or politics here. This is not the place. I heard your warning the first ten times.

We're talking about it, aren't we? We haven't forgotten this issue, distracted like children by the latest shiny toy. Even in the face of the things that traditionally kill news stories, we're talking about it. Change starts by making enough people aware of and angry about the issue that the politicians can't afford to support these programs any more. If we're just distracted the next time $TECH_TOY or $NATURAL_DISAS…

Look HN is not a US-only site.

For those of us in the other 200 odd countries it really is boring as hell to have to wade through your pointless, unsubstantiated paranoia.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by raganwald »

pekk wrote: post #310
graeme wrote: post #228

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What was snarky about it? I hadn't properly considered that my fingerprint would likely end up with spy agencies if I used the new fingerprint service.

But if Apple Computer, other countries and anyone who cracks a system containing the same data has your fingerprints - that's A-OK, obviously.

It's obviously not an either-or. I reserve the right to distrust CSIS/NSA and distrust Apple :-)

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by davidcollantes »

makmanalp wrote: post #59
davidcollantes wrote: post #29

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I am sure you can find a way to explain, it is not that hard. Touch ID is a lot! No more password entering on iTunes. A godsend for someone who has a 26 characters passphrase like me.

If you have a 26 character passphrase, then how are you having an easy time trusting the fingerprint auth?

It is my fingerprint. Why shouldn't I trust it?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by iyulaev »

simonholroyd wrote: post #217
pilif wrote: post #109

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The problem is that I can't change my fingerprint. If it gets out by some third-party abusing the secret backdoor (or just abusing whatever other place you have your fingerprint stored), then they can potentially forge your fingerprint when committing a crime or when otherwise attempting to access resources you have access to. When a third-party loses your password, you change it and life goes on (you are not reusing…

>> I'm very careful with my fingerprints. What does that even mean? You wear gloves in public all the time? You wipe down everything you touch? Which makes me wonder, aren't one's finger prints all over your iPhone exterior anyway. If someone steals one's phone wouldn't it be easier to dust it for prints than crack the security on the digital copy?

Which makes me wonder, aren't one's finger prints all over your iPhone exterior anyway. If someone steals one's phone wouldn't it be easier to dust it for prints than crack the security on the digital copy?

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

Almost as silly as not using a biometric logic because "what if they use a backdoor to get a photo of my face?"

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by sytelus »

Tichy wrote: post #495

Can't believe they didn't make bigger screens. iPhones seem so tiny these days. Also, just 33 votes on HN atm - made me realize that probasbly people are already using HN votes as input for their stock trading aslgorithms :-)

I disagree. The iPhone 4 had (and still has) the perfect dimension of any phones for holding in to adult average human hand and carrying it around in average sized pant pockets or strapping it on arms while jogging/hiking. The iPhone 5 ruined it a bit in trying to copy competition and not knowing that it actually had it better. I see people using large android brick sized phones all the time uncomfortably carrying it around in their relatively tiny hands and unable to hold anything else even when they are not using it because it's too big to put in pocket. I know Jobs had obsessed over iPhone dimensions a lot and arrived at the best compromise for a device you can actually live with without being felt lugging it around.
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