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Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by muyuu »

cwilson wrote: post #81
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Apple specifically stated that your fingerprint is stored and encrypted only on the A7 chip, and not iCloud or anywhere else. It's mentioned in the video as well: http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/videos/#video-touch

Oh OK. If Apple says so then that settles it.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by jacobbudin »

sliverstorm wrote: post #150
pilif wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that I can't change my fingerprint. If it gets out by some third-party abusing the secret backdoor (or just abusing whatever other place you have your fingerprint stored), then they can potentially forge your fingerprint when committing a crime or when otherwise attempting to access resources you have access to. When a third-party loses your password, you change it and life goes on (you are not reusing…

They probably already have your fingerprint. I believe you usually have to give it to the DMV to get your license.

Source? I have obtained drivers' licenses from NY and PA, neither of which required me to be fingerprinted.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by timr »

cheald wrote: post #239
stanleydrew wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

I'm not snarking at all. I'm observing that comments about the NSA are entirely apropos given the current climate we live in. Yes, you're right, at this point, it would take something extremely radical to convince us that the NSA isn't spying on us anymore. Therefore, we should expect comments about the NSA and spying to become a part of the common dialog regarding technology and personal information. Asking them to…

"Asking them to go away is just asking people to stick their head in the sand and ignore it."

I think what's happening here is that you are being asked to go away. Your comments aren't adding anything to this discussion about a new iPhone.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by demallien »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #282
seiji wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not on Hacker News. On Hacker News your press conference should alternate new feature paragraphs with apologies. "We have a new fingerprint sensor! But, you probably don't want to use it because privacy crazies online think Apple is a front for the NSA." "We're moving to a 64-bit architecture! But, geeks with low reading comprehension think it's not that useful because we have tiny RAM, so you should just ignore this…

I'll bite. Explaining to a "geek with low reading comprehension", what is the actual benefit to the iPhone being 64-bit?

Memory bus bandwidth - moving large chunks of data around just got twice as fast. That means loading textures for games, or hauling photos up from flash memory will be substantially faster now.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by tedunangst »

cheald wrote: post #239
stanleydrew wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

I'm not snarking at all. I'm observing that comments about the NSA are entirely apropos given the current climate we live in. Yes, you're right, at this point, it would take something extremely radical to convince us that the NSA isn't spying on us anymore. Therefore, we should expect comments about the NSA and spying to become a part of the common dialog regarding technology and personal information. Asking them to…

Are the comments that will never go away helpful?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by Tloewald »

mmanfrin wrote: post #240

In most previous Apple iterations, when they release a cheaper/multi-colored version of a flagship product, they also release a new (more premium) product line. This time they didn't. This is disappointing to Americans (hence the drop in share price) but also shows Tim's direction: China. His expertise in the company under Jobs was in supply chains and Asia, and now he is orienting (pun not intended) the company towa…

In general, adverse stock market reaction to an Apple announcement is slightly negatively correlated with Apple's success following said announcement.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by baddox »

stanleydrew wrote: post #213
cheald wrote: post #171

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Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

More snark. This isn't helpful. For those who want to believe it, I doubt there is any amount of information that could ever be released to convince them that the NSA isn't spying on people anymore.

What do you mean it's not helpful? It is a plain and factual answer to the question.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

allsystemsgo wrote: post #30
knodi wrote: post #20

This is what I don't like about apple the 5s $199 version has 16GB and the 5c $199 version has 32GB. They should have at-lease giving us 24GB for 5s $199. Apple being apple trying to keep margins high. The new colors kind of suck but great for high school girls.

It took quite some time for me to fill up the 16GB. I'm more of a power user now, so I'll be upgrading to the 32GB but, for most 16GB is plenty.

I had to trim down the number of playlists I store on my Nexus 4, which only has 16 gigs. I also have to be more cognizant of how many podcasts I download at the same time.

I like my phone. But I don't think I'll ever buy anything without at least 32 gigs of storage, or a place to plug more memory in.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by electic »

dev_jim wrote: post #166
pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Urgh. When do we get to the point where I can read HN without a snarky NSA comment being voted to the top?

It is more than the NSA. Now I have to worry that other apps, services, and overall weak security on the iPhone will have my fingertips all over the place. If my phone is stolen, fingerprints gone. No thanks.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by EdwardCoffin »

melling wrote: post #272
cheald wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

I guess if you want to constantly complain about the NSA spying on you, you are entitled. However, some of us have had enough of the complaining. After all, you're probably going to be doing it for the rest of your life. I'd rather not spend mine listening to it. So, can we clearly tag a thread as NSA rant, so those of us who don't want to hear it ad nauseam, we can skip the rehash.

So you want to label concern for privacy as 'whining'? If anything, I'd call THAT snark.
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