Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by jbigelow76 » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:23 PM UTC

kyleowen212 wrote: post #140

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

I had to give my fingerprints when I got my drivers' license. I trust Apple's encryption way more than I trust the DMV's hack protection.

I don't know, the bureaucratic apathy coupled with decades old technology of your local DMV might make a decently effective example of security through obfuscation.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by ekanes » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:23 PM UTC

danabramov wrote: post #151

Pxtl wrote: post #137

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Yes, obviously the PC/Laptop side of the business has always had this kind of differentiation (also the pure-Mp3 player business), but the iOS stuff has avoided this since the inception of the iPhone. The iPad, iPod, and iPhone were just "size only". Now that Jobs is gone and competition has heated up, we're seeing Apple back away from that with the iPad mini and the 5s. It feels like a big shift for Apple.

>Now that Jobs is gone Seriously, what does this have to do with the point you're making?

Jobs was famous for eliminating SKUs and simplifying.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by scrrr » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:24 PM UTC

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Yeah, but FWIW, as a foreigner traveling to the US, I already had to give my fingerprints to Homeland Security. So they are on file I suppose.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by mikeash » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:24 PM UTC

bgruber wrote: post #180

Cookingboy wrote: post #74

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Isn't that what EVERY company does when it comes to marketing? I have never taken a single marketing class but I'd think putting emphasis on your strong points and gloss over your weak ones is common sense?

the difference is that apple doesn't merely do what you're describing. in the past, they have actively lambasted others for marketing bigger numbers.

Because no other company ever criticizes their competitors' marketing?

This discussion is frankly insane. This stuff is called "marketing". Virtually every company does it. Companies that don't do it are called "failures".

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by lttlrck » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:24 PM UTC

pilif wrote: post #73

Now that we have to consider the iPhones to be backdoored by the NSA, I wonder whether I really want to give them my fingerprint together with the rest of my data. I'm also not so sure whether a fingerprint can't still be easily faked (like it was possible on that Mythbusters episode for example). Personally, I think I'd rather stay with my passcode. Did you btw know that you can turn off "simple passcode" and then u…

Its not like it stores all the prints on all your hands...

Does the signature output of the sensor even resemble something that would be useful to a third-party? It seems doubtful that it dumps out a little JPEG... and it might not even be possible to reconstruct.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by abraham » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:25 PM UTC

wavesounds wrote: post #87

Edit: Read "on-contract" as "no-contract" and almost threw a party, thanks for pointing out my mistake guys

"on-contract" vs "without a contract"

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by techaddict009 » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:25 PM UTC

Is 5C inspired by Nokia Lumia ? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560515223996127&set=... (Nokia Fanpage)

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by randomdata » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:25 PM UTC

pyrocat wrote: post #154

ianstallings wrote: post #146

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I stopped having to worry about them keeping my fingerprints private when I turned 14. Turns out you need a license to drive a car down the road! How was I supposed to know?

You don't need to fingerprint to get a license, at least not in my state.

But do you need to fingerprint when you are 14 and caught without a license in your state?

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by RyJones » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:25 PM UTC

hjnilsson wrote: post #134

therobot24 wrote: post #113

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you can rub off your fingerprints, it does occur, however is not very practical (though better than cutting off your hand)

They'll grow back eventually. So cutting off is the only option.

I don't have fingerprints. A large part of the world population doesn't have readable prints. What now? People on blood thinners, elderly people, Asians, women all have less distinctive prints. I don't have prints due to psoriasis.

Fingerprints are a horrible biometric.

Re: Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S

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Post by luscious » Tue, Sep 10, 2013, 7:25 PM UTC

cheald wrote: post #171

dev_jim wrote: post #166

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Urgh. When do we get to the point where I can read HN without a snarky NSA comment being voted to the top?

Probably when the NSA stops illegally spying on the citizens it is supposed to serve.

Fwd frev ip scan circdb.