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Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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My girl friend and some of her friends had some bad experiences with their CS teacher too. Leading up to the point that one of her friends didn't dare to work with computers throughout her studies. She would even go so far to dictate texts and had her boyfriend type them for her when needed.

It's hard to understate the impact a bad teacher can have on a persons life.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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I think VB is a good choice for high school programming. As well as being closer to spoken English than most languages, it has excellent GUI development tools and also the by useful IDE features like Intellisense and auto formatting. But the best thing about it IMO is that it's the only programming language that most people might find useful later in their careers - via Excel's VBA. That shouldn't be underestimated.

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post #293

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Child gets bullied (shock horror), mother assumes it's sexism (it ain't, it's bullying. I'm a dude. Got bullied at high school. Does that make my tormentors homosexual autosexists?), rants. I'm so bored of this sort of thing. Yes, there are man-children who post stupid and hurtful crap on the internet. Yes, there are cretins who make dick jokes on stage at conferences. There are also women who are complete and utter…

I sorry you had a bad school experience and absolutely agree with your point that things shouldn't improve and we should do nothing to help.

"We have to do something! This is something. Therefore we must do it."

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I would of posted this in her comment section, but the requirements for signing up are beyond the pale of acceptable. "Thanks to my career, my daughter's Facebook friends list includes Linux conference organizers, an ARM developer and Linux kernel contributor, open source advocates, and other tech journalists." I, am so jealous right now. "but I was unprepared for the harassment to start in high school, in her progra…

So, high school sucks in general. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't care.

Sure, but care about the right things, and not construct a gednder issue where thete isn't one. Do you think gender issues are the most important problem schools are facing?

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If CS education in the USA is anything like here, the teacher of this class will be the unlucky fellow assigned with maintaining the school networks and other random "computer stuff". His qualification will be that of an interested layman, augmented by several one day seminars on random topics from Office to Java. There is simply no curriculum, there are no standards and no requirements, and if we are honest, the lev…

My Programming I class was taught by a math teacher (who was an excellent algebra instructor). Unfortunately he was only a chapter ahead of the class in computer programming. But that wasn't the worst part. For guidance, he turned to his brother-in-law, who was a manager of developers at Motorola. He stated as much the first day of class, boasting "You're going to have the rare treat of learning how programming is do…

That's pretty much exactly the same as the programming classes I took in high school (New Zealand). After that I mainly kept to programming on the side as a hobby rather than for work, I'd be lying if I said my school experience didn't have some influence over it.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Maybe it's an age thing, but is it just me or is this phenomenon really new? When I was a kid, geeks were inclusive. Weird and horny and therefore prone to awkward creepiness, but not hostile . Was it always like this and I just need to "check my privilege" as a dude or has the 4chanification of geek culture invaded real life? And as for the VB, VB.Net is actually an okay language if you expose them to modern feature…

Are geeks very likely to attend a Visual Basic class at school? I somehow doubt it. Also "sudo make me a sandwhich" isn't necessessarily that hostile. Having a an overzealous mum who blows things widely out of proportions could become a problem, though. That girl might even have been primed with some "gender attitudes" before class had even started.

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Since she is "friend with a linux kernel contributor, and ARM developer, etc", I wouldn't be so sure about that...

But then there's all the women who take a programming class for the first time who aren't friends with industry experts. And even if this teenager is willing to give it another shot, I wouldn't blame her, or anyone, for feeling left out, and believing this is what the world of programmers is like. I know I made that mistake in high school: I actively dissociated from the male/techy-dominated "CS" kids in my school, d…

You know how it feels if people dissociate from you in high school becasuse you seem nerdy? It's such a joke that feminists now try to turn that on the head and claim those nerds prevented them from programming for sexist reasons.

No, those nerds did not become the bullies they hated in high school. You are still the bullies you were in high school, you just found new excuses (then: they seem nerdy, now: they are sexist).

See, most male programmers stuck with it despite the bullying. They did not need special encouragement. Excuse me if I feel little enthusiasm for developers who need to be bribed into the profession.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Child gets bullied (shock horror), mother assumes it's sexism (it ain't, it's bullying. I'm a dude. Got bullied at high school. Does that make my tormentors homosexual autosexists?), rants. I'm so bored of this sort of thing. Yes, there are man-children who post stupid and hurtful crap on the internet. Yes, there are cretins who make dick jokes on stage at conferences. There are also women who are complete and utter…

I sorry you had a bad school experience and absolutely agree with your point that things shouldn't improve and we should do nothing to help.

... hello wilful misinterpreter? You don't fix a gas leak by buying a new sofa. I'm just saying that the thing being posed as an issue isn't the actual issue.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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> discussed illegal gender discrimination in tech

Can't we just call it "bullying"? Illegal bullying.

I experienced an awful lot of similar things when at school, in 50-50 gender split English classes and others. Sure, the wording was different, not mentioning my gender, but the effect was the same. I remember a particular group of girls picking on me consistently because I was so quiet and shy. Physical as well as verbal harassment. The bullies will choose anything that is different about a person: be the lone female, and they obviously choose gender.

I really see the problem in all "discrimination" type cases, whether gender, race, sexuality, being: unpleasant people. Cure these people of gender discrimination, and they'll just be bullying the quiet kid instead. Or the poor kid with the cheap clothes.

We need to be teaching kids to simply be nice and to accept everyone else for who they are. But like that's gonna work.

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