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Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by derleth »

kaitai wrote: post #135
cookiecaper wrote: post #97

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>Which real world are you advocating this high school programming class introduce to a 16-year-old girl? The real world where HR thought police aren't sitting in every room of every company. The real world where even HR people try to "make jokes" and be funny. The real world where HR people generally judge the severity of a harassment complaint by favoritism, which reality a blunt HR person (not employed at my curren…

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why 16-year-old girls leave programming. Remember, guys ganging up on you and telling them to make them a sandwich is just funny! You're so thin-skinned, ladies! thought police! http://hoydenabouttown.com/20110218.9512/sexist-joke-bingo/ ...almost got bingo... good work, cookiecaper.

People can talk about how the real world is without endorsing it or thinking it should continue to be that way.

Do you understand the statement above? If not, I'll quit wasting my time.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by Qz »

I see a lot of posts here simply making excuses for the teacher, proclaiming why it wasn't really his fault or responsibility. So what? The situation presented is unacceptable, and we're kidding ourselves if we think that whether the details of this particular instance are sufficiently condemning or not makes a difference as to the fact this this kind of thing goes on all the time in our high schools. It's not okay. This woman at least made an effort to do something about it.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by derleth »

jacalata wrote: post #160
bragh wrote: post #136

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A school with "no violence or rape" wouldn't be just nothing wrong, it would be extraordinary. Even elite schools in developed and rich countries are filled with bullying: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/28/swedish-school-... Maybe you really ought to think about which school you went into in which neighborhood, which social clique you were a part of and if you still think no bullying happened, maybe it's t…

I went to an all girls school, and while I'm sure there was bullying, there was definitely no violence or rape.

Bullying is violence, and I wonder how you know there was no rape.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by derleth »

javert wrote: post #117
nullgeo wrote: post #8

I also had a teacher in HS that taught Visual Basic in a computer programming class. Not VB.Net, but VB6, and this was 4 years ago. And they removed AP Computer Science that same year, when I was about to take it, that's why I had to settle with the class that taught VB. The state of HS education in this country makes me sad.

I went to high school from 2001 to 2005, and there wasn't any programming course. This was in the small-town US. Any form of VB is still computer programming, and would have been a big step up. > The state of HS education in this country makes me sad. Yes, and that is not going to change unless we privatize education.

> Yes, and that is not going to change unless we privatize education.

Because poor people don't really need to learn how to read!

Yeah, go back to the glory days of the Forties. The Eighteen-Forties.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by [deleted] »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #143

I feel for the daughter who (like many women before her) had a crappy experience in the male-dominated programming world. I feel for the parent who sees her daughter possibly reject a very fulfilling career path after a bad initial experience, when the future could be so much better. But as a former high school teacher, I also feel for the teacher. Giving them some benefit of the doubt, I just want to point out a cou…

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Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by icecreampain »

discostrings wrote: post #162
jessedhillon wrote: post #41

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One time in college, I went to a busy ice cream restaurant with some friends of mine (Fenton's in Emeryville). After entering, we saw there was just one single open table, so we went and put our jackets down on it and then got into line. After getting our ice cream we went back to the table only to find our jackets gone and some fat people sitting there, eating ice cream with their fat kids. When I asked where our ja…

> After getting our ice cream we went back to the table only to find our jackets gone and some fat people sitting there, eating ice cream with their fat kids. > When I asked where our jackets were, a man, presumably the father of the obese family, told us that there were "some jackets" on the table but that they had the security guard come and clear them. Is it just me, or is this comment really absurd, off-topic, an…

Being fat is an unhealthy choice. Slanteyes and niggers are born that way and remain that way no matter how much they diet.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by CatMtKing »

sologoub wrote: post #226
twelvechairs wrote: post #191

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That's easy to say but the world isn't so easy. being a teacher is hard and not paying well means you don't always attract the best people to do it. programmers also have job security of knowing they are basically always employable right now unless completely hopeless. and programmers have ethical responsibilities which are frequently ignored too.

That's the path to mediocrity and failure...

Yup. The world is full of mediocrity and failure, though :(.

Re: To my daughter's high school programming teacher

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Post by javert »

derleth wrote: post #245
javert wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to high school from 2001 to 2005, and there wasn't any programming course. This was in the small-town US. Any form of VB is still computer programming, and would have been a big step up. > The state of HS education in this country makes me sad. Yes, and that is not going to change unless we privatize education.

> Yes, and that is not going to change unless we privatize education. Because poor people don't really need to learn how to read! Yeah, go back to the glory days of the Forties. The Eighteen-Forties.

Poor people not learning to read does not follow from having privatized education.

If in 100 years the government provided clothing, and I advocated privatizing clothing, you'd say, "Becuase poor people don't need to wear clothes!"

Where I'm from (in the US), many poor people _don't_ achieve a basically acceptable level of education, because the public schools don't ultimately serve them well for various reasons, and they drop out (or just don't learn but keep getting passed on through the grades). We're talking like high schoolers at a 5th grade reading level, for example.

So it's not like the status quo is a panacea.

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