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> Just another example of government acting as stenographer for the financial industry. Did you actually just say a sentence with the phrase "government acting" in it as an example of something Ayn Rand would be in favor of? HAHAHAHA.... (I'm not in the Ayn Rand camp, but I think you're missing the basic concept of what she was about.)

It's privatization of tax collection; a Randian/Thatcherite dream.

Collection of taxes being private, and the fairness of the rules are two entirely different things.

"Randian/Thatcherite dream"...as if they want people to lose their houses. You are very misinformed on Objectivist principles.

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Does anyone have any idea how much it costs a traditional newspaper to produce an article like this? They've listed 15 people in the "Credits" section at the bottom. Seems cost-prohibitive. Written by Michael Sallah, Debbie Cenziper, Steven Rich / Graphics by Ted Mellnik, Emily Chow, Laura Stanton / Photos by Michael S. Williamson / Editing by Jeff Leen, Steven Kress / Research by Jennifer Jenkins / Production by Chr…

It took them 10 months to research this. No doubt there was a lot of effort involved.

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You really have no idea what you're talking about.

Fair enough. Atlas Shrugged was such an awful book I couldn't make it past the first few pages. However, I have enough experience with Rand's followers and their "got mine, screw you" attitude to see how a shitty book can get turned into a political movement. See also Mein Kampf.

And the Redditization of HN is now complete.

Also, Godwin's law alert!

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Property taxes are very progressive and we should absolutely have more of them (fair ones, not like the one in this article where you lose your home if you fail to pay some trivial sum). The reasons are best described in the article below, but in summary, we all pay to defend and enhance your property (by supporting the police, roads, local services, etc). It's fairer for property owners to take a larger share of thi…

Why not just go the whole hog and tax all property. eg you buy a laptop, you have to pay the government a tax each year to keep it. Why just apply it to houses? May as well just prohibit people from owning property. Personally, I think such taxes are a massive disincentive for people to do well. As soon as you have enough money to buy a house, you are penalised for it. Luckily in the UK, we don't have property tax, a…

This is the law in Utah and was applied to all businesses up until a few years ago. I don't think they ever tried to property tax the personal possessions of individuals, though that was the law.

You were required to declare your chairs and desks and tables, calculators, paper and pens, books, bicycles, cameras and computers, and everything and look up its market value and then pay the usual tax just as if it were real estate. You were required to do it every single year. And it's still the law for property above an exempt amount, but no longer applies to every paperclip like it used to.

That law is crazy, of course. Real estate is a big expensive immovable item that creates limits on the level of corruption and record keeping headaches so it's the best target for property taxation. Maybe really big vehicles like cars and airplanes and boats could be targets, too, if they have a home base, but even then you can see problems.

And finally, Henry George [0] points out that the ideal property tax to promote investment, limit corruption and cheating, allow fair administration, limit any kind of dead-weight loss [1], and generate reasonable revenue would be a tax on land value only. Buildings, improvements, vehicles, and personal property should be exempt and only the land's location, area, and fixed geology/hydrology/soil conditions should matter.

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_burden_of_taxation

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What a clever disruption of the property tax industry!

But seriously, things like this are why we must not get too carried away focusing only on market opportunity. Some ideas are profitable, but socially disruptive. In this case, public policy is enabling predatory with very obviously antisocial results, but I think there are plenty of cases where the government isn't so directly involved and the results aren't so obviously destructive, yet antisocial, nonetheless. This is really addressed to the small but vocal minority that seems infatuated with profit-seeking, without concern for anything else.

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post #38

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Property taxes are very progressive and we should absolutely have more of them (fair ones, not like the one in this article where you lose your home if you fail to pay some trivial sum). The reasons are best described in the article below, but in summary, we all pay to defend and enhance your property (by supporting the police, roads, local services, etc). It's fairer for property owners to take a larger share of thi…

Why not just go the whole hog and tax all property. eg you buy a laptop, you have to pay the government a tax each year to keep it. Why just apply it to houses? May as well just prohibit people from owning property. Personally, I think such taxes are a massive disincentive for people to do well. As soon as you have enough money to buy a house, you are penalised for it. Luckily in the UK, we don't have property tax, a…

Do you think income tax has proven a big disincentive for people to go out and work?

(To ancitipate an obvious rebuttal: yes, I will admit that inheritance tax has probably put people off the idea of dying.)

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Property taxes are very progressive and we should absolutely have more of them (fair ones, not like the one in this article where you lose your home if you fail to pay some trivial sum). The reasons are best described in the article below, but in summary, we all pay to defend and enhance your property (by supporting the police, roads, local services, etc). It's fairer for property owners to take a larger share of thi…

Why not just go the whole hog and tax all property. eg you buy a laptop, you have to pay the government a tax each year to keep it. Why just apply it to houses? May as well just prohibit people from owning property. Personally, I think such taxes are a massive disincentive for people to do well. As soon as you have enough money to buy a house, you are penalised for it. Luckily in the UK, we don't have property tax, a…

Property taxes add liquidity to the market, and lower prices on everyone, as the cost to own real estate is not zero. Negative side effects that areas with no property taxes include

* blind investments into endless real estate development projects that have no tenants or structural quality (China, Dubai)

* extremely high prices for anyone entering the real estate market (old European monarchies, where a family might have owned the same real estate for centuries)

* lack of funds for upkeeping and maintaining what's considered a shared property (facades, sidewalks) while maintaining fancy interiors (Eastern Europe)

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Tell me again how government does such a wonderful job protecting the weakest & most vulnerable.

DC is notoriously slimy with taxes. It's not surprising that they would do something like this. For example, DC tries to trick VA and MD based businesses into paying corporate taxes in DC if they work with the federal government based on the unsound lie that because the federal government is based in DC any business that works with the Feds must pay DC taxes. Even if that business never sets foot in DC, or works with a single federal person in DC.

Thankfully VA and MD don't recognize this twisted logic.

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Can someone point me to the laws and regulations that allow this? Someone who owns their home completely (with no mortgage) can lose the entirety of the home due to unpaid taxes? Even if the value of the home far exceeds the tax debt? This is mindboggling to me.

The local county government can put a lien on your real property for failing to pay your property taxes, in some places, even for not mowing your lawn (an exaggeration of property maint. codes). In Texas, investors can buy a "Tax Deed" at auction. The property owner has two years to buy the lien back, for a defined price, IIRC the taxes owed + 50% for each year. After the 2 yr repayment window, the purchaser of the tax lien gets the title to the property.

http://www.nuwireinvestor.com/articles/how-texas-tax-sales-w...

http://www.dallascounty.org/department/pubworks/documents/St...

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