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London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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Here is a wikipedia article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronemics I am not going to pretend to be able to understand it, but this part seems to be the most lucid explaination: "Just as monochronic and polychronic cultures have different time perspectives, understanding the time orientation of a culture is critical to becoming better able to successfully handle diplomatic situations. Americans, for instance h…

Future time orientation is also used to refer to a person having a low discount rate. I.e. suffering the pain of school now is worthwhile if it helps me avoid the pain of being uncredentialed in the future.

So... thinking that people should think ahead is racist?

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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Truth is an absolute defense to the claim of libel or slander in the US, but not in all worldwide jurisdictions.

Even if its the truth its still gross misconduct by the head in my book - I bet this is a "free" school with no proper governing body.

It is a Comprehensive, or state school.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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Here is the text of an email that I sent the school.

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The primary duty that a school has is to turn out informed citizens who will try to maintain democracy. Despite your best efforts, you are apparently on the path to success with Kinnan Zaloom.

Unfortunately your headmaster has failed to learn the critical lesson that any organization populated by people will have failure modes, and a common failure mode is that those in authority will seek to use their authority inappropriately, and will also seek to assert more authority than they should have. This has been known for thousands of years, with famous examples including ancient Athens, the Roman Republic, and a plethora of dictatorships around the world today.

I am being generous in saying that your headmaster has failed to learn this lesson. In fact he seems to have learned it, but sees the path to petty dictatorship as something to emulate, not to fear. However one should never ascribe to malice and all that, so I will make the generous assumption that his actions came through incompetence.

But even making the generous assumption, it is clear that your headmaster is not the kind of person who should be put in a position where he can try to harm the future of children whose only crime is to think more clearly than he does. We need children to learn that authority is a necessary evil in a democratic society. Which lesson can best be learned in an environment where authority is exercised wisely enough that the "necessary" part of it becomes evident.

For the good of the children forced to suffer through your school, I sincerely hope that this fact is taken to heart and appropriate measures are taken to ensure that authority rests in more competent people going forward.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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Well, the anarchy could have been forgiven, but individualism ? Put him up against the wall! I've looked at the blog in question ( http://hampsteadtrash.blogspot.co.uk/ ) - and it's obvious that the real problem was about his being critical of the school administration. His petty thug of a headteacher seems perfectly deserving of every bit of the attention he is about to receive.

Hey! Teacher! Leave them kids alone.

I always said he was up to no good.

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In Canada this week, my girlfriend is required to visit the dean of a [top Canadian law school] for calling a girl a "bitch" on Twitter. Backstory is interesting, because the girl had bullied her in person at school. GF never identified the girl on Twitter only saying "Some bitch blah blah at school today". But because she mentioned the school name, the dean found out and now wants to talk to her. There's apparently…

Old Soviet joke: "The Soviet Union is just like the United States. In the US, you can criticize the American President. In the USSR, you can also criticize the American President!"

Sure, that was in 1988. This is 2013, you can criticize the Russian president, but you can't criticize the American president because he is listening.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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So in your world "Some bitch at school did x" falls under hateful speech/cyber-bullying? Well, I guess by now we have to prosecute half of the YouTube and Twitter population. After all all those "first" posters are most certainly making a highly discriminatory remark against all those coming "second".

No, stfu, my "world" isn't quite so black and white: The choice isn't between prosecution or free-for-all, but if you're trying to incite freedom of expression over hateful speech, all while bringing disrepute upon a law school, you probably aren't going to get very far.

>while bringing disrepute upon a law school

Quite a feat, I would say.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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> In the last year he has become more and more enchanted by antiestablishment ways of thinking and has even said that there is an inherent risk that every government is corrupt.

If not for that line I'd say that techer just wanted to say that the student is vocal, selfish jackass and failed to invoke proper euphemisms. But this line shows teachers ignorance. I thought that risk of governemnt being corrupt is something so obvious that it's taught on history lessons in primaryschool. Or maybe I am wrong and it's not established that all government can become corrupt? And if there are some uncorruptible goverment forms, then why we don't use them? Or there is some non-constructive proof known that shows that some goverments are not at all prone to corruption but we have no idea how they look like?

Goverment by definition decides about the stuff it does not own. And if you decide about stuff you don't own you can trade doing some harm to that stuff for improving your own status. And that's coruption.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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Just talking abstractly (again, the only reason I mentioned that is that saying "free speech!" is a non-starter when you're calling someone a bitch -- even if unnamed, if any other party could identify who you mean, it isn't anonymous -- and bringing disrepute upon an institution), but Canadian rights are generally based upon the idea that your rights end where my nose begins, and your right to free speech ends when…

So calling an idiot an idiot is not an option in Canada?

In 19th and early 20th century medicine and psychology, an "idiot" was a person with a very severe mental retardation

PC police will probably getcha for that, too.

Re: London student reported to police: “Enchanted by anarchism and individualism”

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post #45

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In Canada this week, my girlfriend is required to visit the dean of a [top Canadian law school] for calling a girl a "bitch" on Twitter. Backstory is interesting, because the girl had bullied her in person at school. GF never identified the girl on Twitter only saying "Some bitch blah blah at school today". But because she mentioned the school name, the dean found out and now wants to talk to her. There's apparently…

I don't think expecting basic good judgment of those in law school is 'scary'. Further it is worth mentioning that hateful speech is not protected in Canada, and while you could say that it was but a response, such a tweet is almost certainly in violation of several new anti-'cyber' bullying restrictions.

> Further it is worth mentioning that hateful speech is not protected in Canada

It's worth noting that speech is just speech. There's no objective definition for what constitutes hateful speech, nor should there be.

If there's someone on a street corner shouting that all black people should be killed, you're perfectly free to ignore him and his ideas. You could perhaps even tell him that he's being an idiot.

But someone else might be saying something worth listening to, even if it didn't happen to align with your current views.

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