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Epic, The Privacy Browser

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Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

#71
This is cool and I'm going to use it but I want people make money too, so personally I'd be fine if you took my geographic location and served me ads based on that.

I want to know what's on sale at the nearest grocery store, and I wouldn't be too creeped out if you knew where I was geographically. But maybe that's just me.

Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

#72

I still can't figure out why my browsing data being sold is objectively a bad thing. I don't see how it makes my day-to-day worse in any way. There are plenty of smart people who feel that it's bad, so maybe I'm just missing something, and I'm open to sound logic that convinces me that it's going to make my life worse. Also, the example they make at the bottom asking the reader to imagine hundreds of people following…

Because it it gives companies advantage over you. For example banks and insurance companies want to know everything possible about you. So do potential employers. Profiling people and putting them into categories and calculating their risk profiles makes their position weaker. For example: Google "lump in the testicles" and browse medical sites. Then wait one week and try to get mortgage or insurance.

Does that really occur? If so, then I'd agree that would be a good reason to be against tracking, but I haven't seen hard evidence to show this happens.

Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

#73
post #56

I still can't figure out why my browsing data being sold is objectively a bad thing. I don't see how it makes my day-to-day worse in any way. There are plenty of smart people who feel that it's bad, so maybe I'm just missing something, and I'm open to sound logic that convinces me that it's going to make my life worse. Also, the example they make at the bottom asking the reader to imagine hundreds of people following…

It's about control and regaining control of your browsing habits, namely giving users the capability of opting out of global surveillance networks. Many advertisers screamed (and are still screaming) bloody murder over Do Not Track settings being on by default, and this is a message to send to them: your screams are irrelevant and you have no right to track me.

I have control of my browsing habits. That's my point - I'm not terribly worried about if companies see what I do, so it doesn't change my behavior. Thus, I don't see how this point shows that tracking makes my life worse.

Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

#74

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Because it it gives companies advantage over you. For example banks and insurance companies want to know everything possible about you. So do potential employers. Profiling people and putting them into categories and calculating their risk profiles makes their position weaker. For example: Google "lump in the testicles" and browse medical sites. Then wait one week and try to get mortgage or insurance.

Except companies like Mozilla and Google (even Microsoft) don't give that data to those companies, and have no incentive to do so. Indeed, to a company like Google that would be corporate suicide as it would undermine their main source of revenue. Google's money comes from being a middle man, they want to keep their competitive advantage (your data to target ads) secret more than you do. So your scenario doesn't exis…

1) "Google [...] doesn't give that data to those companies". What about selling that data? That's in line with what you call "being a middle man" I think.

2) "[they] have no incentive to do so". They have no incentive in trumpeting that they are doing it. But without having read their ToS, I'm sure they got that covered.

Of course this is pure speculation and I have exactly zero proof that this is the case. I would actually never have believed those claims 6 months ago, but today, I wouldn't be surprised.

Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

#76
post #65

I find it a little suspicious that a browser that purports to be private gives a unique fingerprint on panopticlick... https://panopticlick.eff.org

That's probably because its settings are so unique and different from other browsers. And since not many people check that site, you could be the first one.

Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

#77

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Except companies like Mozilla and Google (even Microsoft) don't give that data to those companies, and have no incentive to do so. Indeed, to a company like Google that would be corporate suicide as it would undermine their main source of revenue. Google's money comes from being a middle man, they want to keep their competitive advantage (your data to target ads) secret more than you do. So your scenario doesn't exis…

1) "Google [...] doesn't give that data to those companies". What about selling that data? That's in line with what you call "being a middle man" I think. 2) "[they] have no incentive to do so". They have no incentive in trumpeting that they are doing it. But without having read their ToS, I'm sure they got that covered. Of course this is pure speculation and I have exactly zero proof that this is the case. I would a…

So you admit not even having read the ToS, but now you're ready to believe that it happens, despite the fact that (for example) Google has a fairly straightforward privacy policy that enumerates what they use data for: http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/

As the person who originally replied to you mentioned: it'd be political suicide for Google to provide the information they use for their own ad targeting to others, even for a fee, beyond users' explicit consent. It'd also be business suicide, given that it would allow people to cut Google out of the loop, rather than using Google as the advertising platform.

Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

#79
post #52

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Is there any evidence that your example could impact somebody today? Sure, it's just a matter of the right (wrong) people connecting the dots... but is anyone currently doing that?

Isn't the fact that such a vulnerability exists reason enough to not allow it to happen? I mean, at that point, you're basically trusting the Bad Guys to not do bad things. Look at internet security circa late 1990's to get an idea of how that works.

Nitroglycerin can be used to make things blow up. It can also be used to help prevent heart attacks. Should we completely ban nitroglycerin simply because it can be used to blow things up? I mean, we're basically trusting people to not use it to blow things up.

Re: Epic, The Privacy Browser

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post #10

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Additionally it's based on Chromium, so there's not much source code to hide as many of us have a good idea of what the source code would look like.

Coming soon!! Write us if you want to see anything now!!

Isn't releasing the source code a condition of using the open source Chromium code? Putting your code out should be effortless. Just put it out there; cleaning it up can happen later.
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