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Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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Re: Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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> Google “unlawfully opens up, reads, and acquires the content of people’s private email messages”

I don't understand the concept of "opening up" an email. Comparing digital things to physical objects is always going to cause problems because they're not.

> “all users of email must necessarily expect that their emails will be subject to automated processing.”

Of course they must, in at least some sense. They've got to be processed by various programs to store them in the right place. We also expect them to be scanned and filtered for spam and viruses, which require them being processed.

> The lawsuit notes that the company even scans messages sent to any of the 425 million active Gmail users from non-Gmail users who never agreed to the company’s terms.

1) Of course it must, for the reasons above.

2) If you send anything to someone else, they can do pretty much whatever they want with it. You're sending an email to someone that has promised to let another company scan it.

Re: Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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post #2

Why is that even a question? Of course it's legal. It's in the terms of using their service in the first place. Nobody's forcing anybody to use Gmail, after all.

Maybe this is a difference between the US and Sweden, but at least around here, there are plenty of things that are illegal even if clearly stated in the terms of use and there is no compulsion involved. For example, it's illegal to sell yourself into slavery, even if you and your buyer both agree to it. A better example might be that it is illegal to sell ones vote in national elections.

(do not infer that _I_ think that scanning emails to show ads _should_ be illegal)

Re: Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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post #4
post #2

Why is that even a question? Of course it's legal. It's in the terms of using their service in the first place. Nobody's forcing anybody to use Gmail, after all.

Maybe this is a difference between the US and Sweden, but at least around here, there are plenty of things that are illegal even if clearly stated in the terms of use and there is no compulsion involved. For example, it's illegal to sell yourself into slavery, even if you and your buyer both agree to it. A better example might be that it is illegal to sell ones vote in national elections. (do not infer that _I_ think…

no, it's no different in the US

Re: Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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post #2

Why is that even a question? Of course it's legal. It's in the terms of using their service in the first place. Nobody's forcing anybody to use Gmail, after all.

> Nobody's forcing anybody to use Gmail, after all.

I think there are a couple of audiences who are; ( 1 ) employees of companies ( or students of institutions ) that have migrated to Gmail / GApps and ( 2 ) senders of e-mails who are unaware that one or more recipients are Gmail users.

For protecting the latter group, it is possible to configure most MTAs to hold or decline delivering to Gmail or any other arbitrary domain. For example, postfix has the 'smtpd_recipient_restrictions' directive.

Re: Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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What is it 2004?! of course it's legal, same as "scanning" mail content to identify spam or enable full text search. This lawsuit is ridiculous, it's either a money making scam or a PR stunt or both.

Maybe today is the right time to ask the question again.

Re: Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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post #3

> Google “unlawfully opens up, reads, and acquires the content of people’s private email messages” I don't understand the concept of "opening up" an email. Comparing digital things to physical objects is always going to cause problems because they're not . > “all users of email must necessarily expect that their emails will be subject to automated processing.” Of course they must, in at least some sense. They've got…

> "I don't understand the concept of "opening up" an email"

You can look at it same way as you look at "opening a file". Similarly, "read" and "acquire" can also be thought of in a digital way, rather than analog and it's perfectly comparable in this context in my opinion. It's also true, they do "open", "read" and "acquire" contents, even if done by automated, digital means (programs, algos). Now whether that is or should be unlawful, I don't know.

Re: Google Says Scanning Text Of Your Emails To Sell Ads Is Perfectly Legal

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You need to scan to detect spam, so scanning itself can't be a legal problem.

I don't see the issue here. The ads are not even slightly surreptitious, and they don't seem to be linked to your non-email ad profile. (They don't follow you across the web.)

(Would it be a problem if they were? Is there a fundamental legal issue here, is it it more of a transparency/disclosure problem?)

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