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Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Anyone building a card processing business is going to have trouble finding long-term cash flow because the margins are razor thin. For example, Visa processed $6.7 trillion in transactions and made $10.4bn in revenue . I'd rather do business with someone like Balanced, who has a larger product vision than "well paypal sucks".

Balanced, Stripe, Braintree, and a host of other companies are trying to build a great payments platform. What makes Balanced any different from the others in this case? Isn't Balanced also based on the premise that "well paypal sucks"?

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Anyone know how the fees in the industry break down then ... $3bn is Though all I know is the headline rates quoted for most common processors where <2% seems very aggressive. Who gets the other 1.95% of that?

My apologies, I mis-quoted the annual number, which is about $10.4 bln, which is still only about .16%. Still, your question, "Who gets the other 1.95% of that?", is valid. My guess: the card issuers themselves, who operate the networks (Visa, MC, Amex, Discover). Throw a little on top for Chase PaymentTech and the like.

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Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he/she means Stripe :)

i mean square - that's the company that's looking to buy braintree, right? am i seeing things?

Ah I thinking Stripe because Stripe is the credit card processing API, Square is the Point of Sale dongle for your mobile device. I don't if switching from PayPal or Braintree to Square would even work :)

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Looking at the numbers and making some estimates...

$10 billion in transactions probably turns into about 1% in fees, so we'll say revenue is about $100 million. Being generous, let's say they are running on a 30% margin. That would put profits around $30 million a year.

That's pretty good, but when you look at that number it would be a 10 year payback period at $300 million. At $1 billion, that is a 30 year payback period.

Given the $69 million in outside funding, I'm sure they are pushing for a 10x return, so $690 is probably the ballpark of the asking price. They are probably asking for $1 billion in hopes of a counter around $750 million.

If I were a company looking to acquire a merchant services provider, I would look at the cost of acquiring that $10 billion a year in transaction volume. Is it less than $1 billion? Probably. That is probably why MasterCard built this: https://www.simplify.com/commerce/ instead of dropping $1 billion to buy stripe or Braintree.

If you didn't have a big strategic need, the right price for Braintree is probably more like $200-300 million. Braintree won't sell at that valuation because they have raised too much money and it wouldn't be a big enough return.

I could see PayPal buying Braintree, just for some of the more developer focused company culture, but I don't see why Square would buy them.

My guess is Square and Stripe end up merging at some point. It almost feels inevitable.

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Looking at the numbers and making some estimates... $10 billion in transactions probably turns into about 1% in fees, so we'll say revenue is about $100 million. Being generous, let's say they are running on a 30% margin. That would put profits around $30 million a year. That's pretty good, but when you look at that number it would be a 10 year payback period at $300 million. At $1 billion, that is a 30 year payback…

I have also thought that square and stripe could merge but I think both companies have enough potential upside on their own to keep forging ahead without it.

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Looking at the numbers and making some estimates... $10 billion in transactions probably turns into about 1% in fees, so we'll say revenue is about $100 million. Being generous, let's say they are running on a 30% margin. That would put profits around $30 million a year. That's pretty good, but when you look at that number it would be a 10 year payback period at $300 million. At $1 billion, that is a 30 year payback…

Is the founding team of braintree still in control of the company?

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Square processes $10b. BrainTree processes $10b. How is Square valued at $4b and BrainTree can't sell for $1b?

What are the first and second derivatives of those numbers with respect to time?

That's the right question to ask. The absolute values are important but not as important as the trends.

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

#48

This acquisition culture is almost always bad for customers. Imagine what PayPal would do to Braintree if they acquired them. PayPal can't even manage their own risk without pissing customers off. I can only imagine they'd slowly turn Braintree into a braindead company that's nothing but a shell of its former self. I sincerely hope Braintree finds a way to keep its independence and continues standing on its own. We n…

We can only pray that conquered will conquer the conqueror.

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i mean square - that's the company that's looking to buy braintree, right? am i seeing things?

Ah I thinking Stripe because Stripe is the credit card processing API, Square is the Point of Sale dongle for your mobile device. I don't if switching from PayPal or Braintree to Square would even work :)

If Square acquires Braintree I presume nothing would change.

Re: Braintree Is On The Block, Had Acquisition Talks With Square And PayPal

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Looking at the numbers and making some estimates... $10 billion in transactions probably turns into about 1% in fees, so we'll say revenue is about $100 million. Being generous, let's say they are running on a 30% margin. That would put profits around $30 million a year. That's pretty good, but when you look at that number it would be a 10 year payback period at $300 million. At $1 billion, that is a 30 year payback…

Is the founding team of braintree still in control of the company?

No. According to the article, the investors kicked out the founder in 2011 and brought in a new CEO with a history of getting companies acquired.
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