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Oyster, Netflix for books, is launching the beta version of its iPhone app

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Re: Oyster, Netflix for books, is launching the beta version of its iPhone app

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my thoughts exactly. they're supposedly targeting the casual reader, but how many casual readers read more than 1 book a month? at one book a month the pricing model makes no sense. it's really at 4 books a month where it starts to look cheap, but 1 book a week is a very steep hill for most people. reading is an active activity unlike tv or music which are inherently passive. IMO that makes a big difference in how mu…

I would say this is for those that can get through 4-5+ books a month (like me and others I know). Not for everyone, but I know many that would find this better than having an actual monthly book budget. Libraries also have similar programs for ebooks (or at least mine does).

Yup I discovered from a friend that my library has a similar ebook checkout program. I wonder how the terms and selections compare, since libraries seem to be doing an inept job at advertising this feature which could potentially just kill this startup

Re: Oyster, Netflix for books, is launching the beta version of its iPhone app

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Congrats to the team on the launch! I know they've been hard at work for quite a while. Getting deals with the necessary publishers could not have been easy without the clout of a large brand name like Amazon.

I'm sure the iPhone-only offering might prove controversial, but I don't doubt that an iPad version will be coming soon. iPhone-only makes sense for me - I prefer to read books in short chunks: on the Muni, waiting in line, a few minutes before bed, etc. The Kindle app has done an excellent job of making the best of the limited real estate, I'm optimistic that Oyster will do so as well.

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The "Netflix for books" is, and has long been, libraries. And yes, almost all of them have an ebook program in addition to their huge supply of paper books.

Is Overdrive (the library ebook system I see everywhere) intentionally painful to use (to deter users), or just horribly implemented?

It isn't great. But many libraries have rolled out a new version of Overdrive that's noticably better (even if it's the same implemention, it's at least less confusing). For example, NYPL New York doesn't have it yet, but Los Angeles Public Library does: http://lapl.lib.overdrive.com/

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Except that libraries tend to be free.

In some libraries you pay an annual membership fee, not dissimilar to the flat monthly fee paid to Netflix (and now Oyster), as opposed to the per-rental fee Blockbuster used to charge.

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How about we just support our public libraries? I haven't found a better alternative and I'm already paying for it.

An online library has the same advantage over a physical library as Amazon has over physical retail stores and Netflix has over physical video rental stores: massive long-tail inventory.

And all we need to get that massive+long tail inventory is for Overdrive (the ebook system used by public libraries) to offer "inter-library loan".

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Our local libraries recently started an ebook program. However, copyright restrictions mean they aren't allowed to loan a single 'copy' out to more than one person at once. With the relatively small number of ebook copies available compared to the number of library users, last time I checked there was a long waiting list for most books. Perhaps ironically, it is quicker to go to the library and borrow a paper copy. (…

I suspect that as e-books become more popular, libraries are going to license them in larger quantities. They're a big cost saver for libraries since they take no space to store, no labor to re-shelve and can't be damaged or stolen.

The trouble with this is that without legislation in place to control the pricing of e-books as sold to libraries, e-book publishers use a number of tricks, from significantly higher pricing to making each license only valid for a set number of borrows before another license has to be bought, which negates the "they can't be damaged" benefit.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/mar/06/ebooks-on-borro...

Re: Oyster, Netflix for books, is launching the beta version of its iPhone app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our local libraries recently started an ebook program. However, copyright restrictions mean they aren't allowed to loan a single 'copy' out to more than one person at once. With the relatively small number of ebook copies available compared to the number of library users, last time I checked there was a long waiting list for most books. Perhaps ironically, it is quicker to go to the library and borrow a paper copy. (…

I suspect that as e-books become more popular, libraries are going to license them in larger quantities. They're a big cost saver for libraries since they take no space to store, no labor to re-shelve and can't be damaged or stolen.

There's still a lot of bullshit licensing, like ebooks that can only be checked out a finite number of times, in order to reflect the average shelf life of physical books.

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Why hasn't this already been done by Amazon, or Google Books? I understand Prime has something similar, but only for select books. Is this purely a publisher licensing issue? If so, wouldn't Amazon/Google have more leverage to make it happen?

If you read the article, Oyster is for select books too (100k, vs. Amazon's 350k). But for Amazon you have to have a Kindle. Won't work with the Kindle app on tablets, phones, or desktop.

You can buy a gently used Kindle Touch for $40, and new for only $70. It will more than pay for itself in terms of free books in under a year.

Re: Oyster, Netflix for books, is launching the beta version of its iPhone app

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It seems like the main complaints are that:

- It's iPhone only. This will, of course, change. They have to launch somewhere first.

- We already have public libraries and Overdrive. Sure, they are out there but they don't solve the problem that Oyster does. If you just want to flip through a bunch of books and see what you feel like reading, your current options are to go to a physical bookstore or library or hope Amazon or Google Books has enough to satisfy you in their limited previews. Imagine that as you're reading a book, you come across a reference another and being able to easily jump to the reference with no hassles like putting the book on hold (as is almost always the case on Overdrive) or reaching a check out limit or having to get in the car and go find a hard copy. Even the Kindle lenders library heavily restricts the number of books you can use at once. Having the full text of an ever-growing library at your fingertips is, if using Spotify is a close enough parallel, something that can't be fully appreciated until it's experienced.

- Price. If you usually buy at least one book a month and you can assume you'll probably do that indefinitely then it makes sense to instead start paying Oyster (or similar) indefinitely to get not one book a month, but all the books.

- Authors don't get paid. I think it's to early to say whether this will work out for authors or not. We don't know the business model. If it doesn't work for authors and publishers, they'll stop using it and Oyster will have to change their business model. In fact, this is the biggest risk as I see it. Netflix started with a good catalog and, for awhile, had a great catalog of movies. Now they're losing content and having to create their own, most of which I have no interest in. If publishers were to fall out of love with Oyster, Oyster's value would be severely diminished so they'll have to do what it takes to keep publishers (and hopefully by extension, authors) happy. One thing to consider, and maybe this is not as common as I'm guessing, but there are so many times where I've read a Kindle book and decided to buy a paper version to give the book a physical presence in my house. For certain authors, this could mean getting paid twice when people read their books.

Re: Oyster, Netflix for books, is launching the beta version of its iPhone app

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Oyster? Really? Like the Oyster travel site: http://www.oyster.com/ Or the Oyster travel card: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14836.aspx ?

Never heard of the site, and the travel card is UK only. So not too big a conflict.
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