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Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by anologwintermut »

cschmidt wrote: post #122
gnarbarian wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wow you seem bitter. I like the new logo. It is in line with the trend toward more 'flat' looking designs.

It has 3d bevels, if you look closely. That makes it look a bit dated, although just being flat to be trendy wouldn't be good either.

The fact that you have to look closely is a problem. The details only barely show up on their website on my 13inch macbook and I at least am left semi-straining to actually resolve the logo completely. It looks to me like someone designed a logo with little regard to how it would be primely seen by non employees --- I'm sure it looks better on a giant sign out front.

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by bernardom »

Other than GuiA's (currently-on-top) comment, almost everything I've read here is disgustingly negative.

"She's a micromanager, she should be 'CEOing' instead of designing, she's a terrible designer, she should spend time with her kids (!!), she has hubris to say she can design something, it's all about her, she's destroying the craft of design, the wafts of Denning - Krugerism are pluming out."

I just... come on, people!

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by gersonaya »

samuelfine wrote: post #137

I'd like to point out, for the record, that this "logo design team" consisted of: - CEO - SVP of "Brand Creative" - VP, Creative Director - Someone who doesn't seem to exist online, outside of articles about this new logo - An intern You'll notice a distinct lack of professional designers in that list. Apparently this 10 billion dollar brand wasn't important enough to put in the hands of, you know, experts. Instead,…

Fully agreed.

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by Bill_Dimm »

foolrush wrote: post #128
anologwintermut wrote: post #25

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Her experience and micromanagement apparently produced a logo that looks like it belongs on a web portal framed by IE6's forward thinking UI and appears to have been designed by someone who just figured out that illustrator could do 3d effects. So, so much for making users think the company has moved beyond its stagnant products. Which in a lot of ways it has, look at the Yahoo weather app for Android, the design is…

Well said. It should be noted that it was under this individual's reign at Google that the notorious 41 tints of blue occurred[1], which was clearly an indicator of abject ineptitude regarding art and design. The comment about Illustrator was cringe worthy. The idea that someone is so filled with hubris regarding a field well outside their domain has the wafts of Denning - Krugerism pluming out. [1] http://stopdesign…

It's "Dunning–Kruger" (for the benefit of those that are not familiar with it and are trying to Google it).

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by coffeemug »

weland wrote: post #105
jyap wrote: post #98

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Wow, the negativity. > Yahoo looks like a big company, don't they have some CEO-ing to do? When you decide you want to make a career out of pushing papers and borderline lying to investors, stick to it. Do you purposely have you head in the sand or haven't you heard of all the policy changes and various acquisitions? Besides, branding is "CEO" type work. > Initial success is obviously to be applauded, but don't be ov…

> Besides, branding is "CEO" type work. Branding is CEO type work. Logo design isn't. Encouraging people to put all their resources into their work is awesome. "Jumping into the trenches" (oh, over the weekend!) isn't what the CEO of a multi-billion company does, it's what an arrogant, career-oriented boss who can't delegate does to compensate for his apparent lack of sufficient involvement. Leading an agenda of tech…

"Jumping into the trenches" (oh, over the weekend!) isn't what the CEO of a multi-billion company does, it's what an arrogant, career-oriented boss who can't delegate does to compensate for his apparent lack of sufficient involvement.

That's absolutely ridiculous. Plenty of CEOs carve out a little time to jump into the trenches and work on things they really care about, or work on fun things to relax and get away from the big stuff for a little bit. Nothing about that says "arrogant, career-oriented boss who can't delegate and requires compensating for lack of involvement." May be Marissa Mayer thinks the logo is important enough to warrant her attention. Or may be she just wanted to work on something fun to get a break from the boardroom for a day or two. Or may be it's both.

Jumping to conclusions about someone you don't know based on a breezy blog post about a logo project seems far more arrogant to me than her taking a few days to work closely on this project.

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by the_watcher »

weland wrote: post #97
andrelaszlo wrote: post #91

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Micromanagement is a management style, not something you do over a weekend. Saying that the CEO micro manages because she's deeply involved with the evolution of her company's brand is a bit silly. Someone said that Steve Jobs wasn't a micromanager, only a great manager obsessed with details. I guess he should have stayed in his kitchen making sandwiches for his four kids.

> Micromanagement is a management style, not something you do over a weekend. Micromanagement is a bad management style to apply with creative teams. It breaks the creative flow, clouds judgement of quality and adds external pressure to a process that depends on consistent internal drive. You can micromanage accountants, SAP programmers and clerks, but if people like those in design teams or R&D are focused on qualit…

PG commented about Jobs yesterday re: Google compose. Basically, he argues Steve Jobs is an anomaly in that he can micromanage design without breaking it.

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by anologwintermut »

andrelaszlo wrote: post #91
anologwintermut wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Her experience and micromanagement apparently produced a logo that looks like it belongs on a web portal framed by IE6's forward thinking UI and appears to have been designed by someone who just figured out that illustrator could do 3d effects. So, so much for making users think the company has moved beyond its stagnant products. Which in a lot of ways it has, look at the Yahoo weather app for Android, the design is…

Micromanagement is a management style, not something you do over a weekend. Saying that the CEO micro manages because she's deeply involved with the evolution of her company's brand is a bit silly. Someone said that Steve Jobs wasn't a micromanager, only a great manager obsessed with details. I guess he should have stayed in his kitchen making sandwiches for his four kids.

Were you implying that my criticism of Mayer was akin to saying she should have stayed in the kitchen or were you suggesting we should cut her some slack because no doubt some asshole somewhere has said sexist shit like that?

For what it's worth Straw-man Steven Jobs --- the mascot of Apple and God design --- is said to have obsessed over details when telling people their designs were shit and needed to be redone. As far as I am aware, the Steve Jobs of legend didn't actually sit down and do design work himself.

Micro management is a style and I agree one weekend work session isn't enough to say she is a micro manager, but her blog post is certainly enough to say she micro managed the logo design and people will extrapolate (especially since she was criticism for micro-managment while at Google). Unless of course the story that the logo was designed primarily over a weekend isn't true and/or she wasn't as involved as she said she was. I don't think those are likely or better alternatives.

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by gegtik »

sequoia wrote: post #132
cschmidt wrote: post #122

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It has 3d bevels, if you look closely. That makes it look a bit dated, although just being flat to be trendy wouldn't be good either.

Why it's sometimes hard to take critique from HN seriously: http://img.pandawhale.com/29687-Grumpy-Cat-I-hate-everything...

Memes disgust me

Re: Geeking Out on the Logo

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Post by rfnslyr »

gnarbarian wrote: post #63
anologwintermut wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Her experience and micromanagement apparently produced a logo that looks like it belongs on a web portal framed by IE6's forward thinking UI and appears to have been designed by someone who just figured out that illustrator could do 3d effects. So, so much for making users think the company has moved beyond its stagnant products. Which in a lot of ways it has, look at the Yahoo weather app for Android, the design is…

wow you seem bitter. I like the new logo. It is in line with the trend toward more 'flat' looking designs.

It's a straight up bad design. It's the logo of a massive company, there is no room for emotion or being "bitter". They have a lot of man power, and produced this, it's sub par. It's not pleasing to the eye, it's sharp and 3d-ish. You'd get something better by throwing $500 towards 99 designs.

A logo should look great on a massive banner as well as my tiny retina screen. Right now, when it's smaller, the bevels and shadows/jaggedness of the logo are very off putting, not something I'm pleased to look at.

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