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Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Interesting how the way passengers dress has changed vastly in the first 30 years and not so much in the recent 30.

Yes, Brits dressed WAY WAY better 60 years ago. I just took this trip a few days ago and was appalled and disgusted by the way that most people were dressed.

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Echoing the above, and having driven a real train (well class 58 unit) around a large east midlands depot (a relative who was fairly senior organised it so I got to do the initial class checkout training for an afternoon) it's a crap load harder than you probably think it is. They really are complicated machines with a lot to learn and driving them is a skill that isn't something that easy to master. The simulators,…

As point of interest, why is it that hard? What makes the task (or mundane parts of it) less automat-able than driving cars (which I think most people would say isn't all that difficult)?

It's definitely automatable, entirely. The DLR in the UK proved that. But that isn't going to happen when the problem is slightly more complicated and not predictable like it is in older lines. You have ot build with automation in mind. One tree on the line and an automated train will plough through it for example derailing it and killing many people ( http://www.caerphillyobserver.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/... ) . One dodgy point, it won't notice and won't report it and the next thing you know, the train is going sideways down a platform side-swiping people ( http://www.virginmedia.com/images/potters-bar-crash-431x300.... )

Machines are shit at noticing these things.

Also the problem is that it's not just about sitting there and pulling a lever - that bit is quite easy. There are a load of surrounding tasks like checking out the locomotives, coupling, shunting, safety rules, signalling, token exchange (which is still used), diagnosing problems (why aren't the brakes releasing can be an hour to diagnose/fix) and the inevitable "managing drunken passengers and coordinating with police" etc.

Not everything is suitable for the lowest common denominator of person or automation.

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Its a little sad that repeating the exercise today shows little improvement over 30 years ago. The HST125 is still the fastest diesel train in the world (the actual video was likely taken from a Diesel Multiple Unit which are lighter and more efficient but not faster), those lines are still not electrified little has changed in train signalling with most of the improvements in train control being to centralise it rat…

Bombadier Voyager units (class 220-222) are rated to the same speed. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Voyager_family They're much more comfortable and quieter than the 125's (43's + mk3s) plus they don't give you a face full of fumes when they start up or scare your children :)

In all honesty I prefer the HST125. Part of that is nostalgia, the HST125 is a great example of technology from the golden age of British Engineering which, like the Route-master bus, outlived several generations of successors. The other part is the Voyager fleet in my experience always smell of toilet.

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Its a little sad that repeating the exercise today shows little improvement over 30 years ago. The HST125 is still the fastest diesel train in the world (the actual video was likely taken from a Diesel Multiple Unit which are lighter and more efficient but not faster), those lines are still not electrified little has changed in train signalling with most of the improvements in train control being to centralise it rat…

No, it's not. The Talgo XXI does 159mph, and the Russian TEP80 did over 168mph in a test run, which is even preserved on video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwYXjxXFha0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWDdNe_zx5A

Interesting, however all of the references I could find still quote the HST125 as the official record holder. I expect due to one technicality or another.

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Its a little sad that repeating the exercise today shows little improvement over 30 years ago. The HST125 is still the fastest diesel train in the world (the actual video was likely taken from a Diesel Multiple Unit which are lighter and more efficient but not faster), those lines are still not electrified little has changed in train signalling with most of the improvements in train control being to centralise it rat…

That line is actually electrified in all 3 videos, just not with conventional overhead caternary. Southeast England is one of the few places in the world that uses 3rd rail power outside of mass transit metros. You can clearly see the rail just outside of the running rail in all the videos.

Does Essex count as Southeast England? Because the LTS (C2C) line is overhead-electrified. So is HS1.

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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It's interesting how many more trees there are in 2013. My wife pointed out that it looks the same with pictures of New York from the early 20th century- green space just wasn't a thing we had the desire/means to rate as highly. OTOH the major infrastructure hasn't changed much (bridges, urban areas, not just the train line which is politically determined). Technological change reshapes how live in a lot of ways in s…

Even if the bridges had been rebuilt, it would be hard to tell from this video.

They'd probably be in the same spot, so it is hard to tell if they have been replaced at the speed the video goes. Also, they would probably re-use legacy supports, bases etc for a new bridge, so they may even look the same as the old ones?

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That line is actually electrified in all 3 videos, just not with conventional overhead caternary. Southeast England is one of the few places in the world that uses 3rd rail power outside of mass transit metros. You can clearly see the rail just outside of the running rail in all the videos.

Does Essex count as Southeast England? Because the LTS (C2C) line is overhead-electrified. So is HS1.

More formally, I think they should have referred to trains that depart from London's southern termini? (Victoria, Waterloo, Cannon St, London Bridge, Charing Cross).

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Its a little sad that repeating the exercise today shows little improvement over 30 years ago. The HST125 is still the fastest diesel train in the world (the actual video was likely taken from a Diesel Multiple Unit which are lighter and more efficient but not faster), those lines are still not electrified little has changed in train signalling with most of the improvements in train control being to centralise it rat…

That line is actually electrified in all 3 videos, just not with conventional overhead caternary. Southeast England is one of the few places in the world that uses 3rd rail power outside of mass transit metros. You can clearly see the rail just outside of the running rail in all the videos.

All of southern England does - South West train services use a third rail as well, at least on most services - some of the ones to Basingstoke are diesel-powered, but definitely Devon, Dorset, Hampshire and Surrey have electric rails.

Re: London to Brighton train ride, 1953-2013 [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bombadier Voyager units (class 220-222) are rated to the same speed. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Voyager_family They're much more comfortable and quieter than the 125's (43's + mk3s) plus they don't give you a face full of fumes when they start up or scare your children :)

In all honesty I prefer the HST125. Part of that is nostalgia, the HST125 is a great example of technology from the golden age of British Engineering which, like the Route-master bus, outlived several generations of successors. The other part is the Voyager fleet in my experience always smell of toilet.

Until it crashes and then you are fucked. No crumple zones in the vestibules.

The route master gave many people lung cancer who worked at the depots, my father included.

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