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Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by thejosh »

Steko wrote: post #45
yapcguy wrote: post #2

"We are not allowed to distribute updates through other channels to apps which were purchased from the App Store." The solution is simple. All Mac developers should stop selling through the App Store, regain control of the distribution channel, and leave the Mac App Store barren of quality applications. Until Mac developers have leverage, Apple will continue taking their 30% cut and enforcing rules which suit them an…

Your solution is bonkers and has zero chance of happening. You know what Valve charges to put you on the Steam store? 30% or more. You know why some people do it? Because they make more money doing it. You know why some people don't? Because they make more money not doing it.

valve doesn't limit you on the functionality that your game can use.

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by timeuser »

kcase wrote: post #46

Not being able to offer the same discounted upgrade pricing to all our customers no matter where they purchased is obviously disappointing for us. But it just means we're back to the same state of affairs as I outlined in my original blog post from the launch of the Mac App Store: http://www.omnigroup.com/blog/entry/mac_app_store_or_omnis_o... As I said in that original post: "The Mac App Store is the most convenient…

Can you offer any more detail on what you were specifically forbidden from doing? Is it that you aren't allowed to offer updates outside of the App Store to App Store purchased apps? Or is it the method you were using with OmniKeyMaster that was disallowed?

Do you think Apple would allow other ways of supporting upgrade pricing between two versions of an App Store app possibly through in app purchase or similar?

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by JohnTHaller »

dripton wrote: post #35
__--__ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still haven't found a linux distro that doesn't eventually resort to me fudging with xrandr for a week trying to get multiple monitors working correctly. Granted, this was 3 years ago. Have any linux distros solved the problem of configuring multiple monitors using a gui yet?

My personal experience over the last couple of years: I ran Gentoo for years, and my experience was similar to yours. I could get things to work but it took a lot of frustrating trial and error, and then periodically a version upgrade would break everything and I'd get to start over. About a year and a half ago I finally got sick of it and installed Kubuntu. Kubuntu 12.04 + 2 monitors + AMD proprietary drivers = you…

> The only goofy thing was that my left monitor showed up on the right side, giving me a choice between physically moving the monitors or changing the default positions in the GUI

You could have switched the cables. Just saying :)

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by Steko »

thejosh wrote: post #51
Steko wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your solution is bonkers and has zero chance of happening. You know what Valve charges to put you on the Steam store? 30% or more. You know why some people do it? Because they make more money doing it. You know why some people don't? Because they make more money not doing it.

valve doesn't limit you on the functionality that your game can use.

That's bullshit, they have all kinds of limits on what they allow.

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by Spooky23 »

Boo hoo. The people paying $80 for todo list management don't need upgrade pricing. If they do, maybe charging a less insane price would make the App Store issue moot.

Building stuff for Apple products is like dating and being madly in love with someone who doesn't love you. Everything is great until they don't need you anymore.

Remember the independent resellers of Apple products, who operated actual physical stores selling Macs before they were cool again? You may not, because Apple basically shot them in the head when try opened Apple Retail stores. Remember the Mac OEMs?

Apple is building two sales channels, one that makes them 30%, one that makes them 0%. They've told you that they make many more dollars with walled garden products built on iOS, and are porting key iOS features to Mac OS -- features that also require that sales channel that makes them richer.

So if you develop software for Mac, you shouldn't be surprised when Apple abuses you -- Apple doesn't need you.

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by general_failure »

Spooky23 wrote: post #55

Boo hoo. The people paying $80 for todo list management don't need upgrade pricing. If they do, maybe charging a less insane price would make the App Store issue moot. Building stuff for Apple products is like dating and being madly in love with someone who doesn't love you. Everything is great until they don't need you anymore. Remember the independent resellers of Apple products, who operated actual physical stores…

That was beautiful. Thank you.

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by zensavona »

__--__ wrote: post #17
routelastresort wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... or switch back to Linux, and just download everything you need, without encumbrances like this. I recently switched back on all of my OSX and Windows machine, and it feels great. Only through years of contributions to open source projects, and hanging my head in shame can I ever be redeemed. Oh, and Steam is only going to get better!

I still haven't found a linux distro that doesn't eventually resort to me fudging with xrandr for a week trying to get multiple monitors working correctly. Granted, this was 3 years ago. Have any linux distros solved the problem of configuring multiple monitors using a gui yet?

I have 3 monitors over 2 video cards on Fedora 19 - works fine & as one would expect.

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by sdoering »

peterkelly wrote: post #48
routelastresort wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... or switch back to Linux, and just download everything you need, without encumbrances like this. I recently switched back on all of my OSX and Windows machine, and it feels great. Only through years of contributions to open source projects, and hanging my head in shame can I ever be redeemed. Oh, and Steam is only going to get better!

I used Linux as my main OS for 7 years before switching to a mac. I just got fed up with all the hardware compatibility problems and stuff that didn't work without spending hours messing around with library dependencies etc. I'm not going back in a hurry.

I switched to linux and it was great. but one thing keeps bugging me. Every now and then, after and update my nvidia-drivers are lost, I loose my second screen and have to go nuts, while searching for a way to tell my laptop, that there is a secondary screen (that is much bigger and better and makes working with the laptop ok).

So this is the only thing in my experience, that really sucks. The rest (compared to WIN) is really, really great.

Re: Update – We’re unable to offer upgrade pricing for Mac App Store purchases

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Post by PakG1 »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #53
dripton wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal experience over the last couple of years: I ran Gentoo for years, and my experience was similar to yours. I could get things to work but it took a lot of frustrating trial and error, and then periodically a version upgrade would break everything and I'd get to start over. About a year and a half ago I finally got sick of it and installed Kubuntu. Kubuntu 12.04 + 2 monitors + AMD proprietary drivers = you…

> The only goofy thing was that my left monitor showed up on the right side, giving me a choice between physically moving the monitors or changing the default positions in the GUI You could have switched the cables. Just saying :)

Depends on if both cables were the same type. Possible the monitor ports were different?
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