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Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by jneen »

gaius wrote: post #19
mikl wrote: post #2

So, basically, everyone that doesn't agree with her is just irrational, deluded, etc. The world horribly bad, oppressing, we're all sinners in need of salvation, etc., etc. I'm tired of these rants. I'll gladly listen to you describing your experiences, but I don't accept your worldview, and I will not agree to describe myself as “misogynistic” or “racist” (not to mention “asshole”), just because I don't agree with y…

I flagged it because it's just pure vitriol.

Uh, it is not at all vitriol. You read the thing right? It's about self-discovery and the discomfort we all feel when we find out we're supporting violent or oppressive systems.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by aeflash »

icecreampain wrote: post #18

When someone accuses me of being any of those things, I just say "yes" and let them think so. If people want me to be sexist I can be sexist. I can be a women (or MAN!) hater if I want, or if the name-caller wants. Either is fine. Here's the thing: whenever I'm called names it makes me want to be/continue being those things just because if pisses the person off. It hurts their fragile little feelings that someone has…

Such hubris. Either that, or trolling....

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by sp332 »

icecreampain wrote: post #18

When someone accuses me of being any of those things, I just say "yes" and let them think so. If people want me to be sexist I can be sexist. I can be a women (or MAN!) hater if I want, or if the name-caller wants. Either is fine. Here's the thing: whenever I'm called names it makes me want to be/continue being those things just because if pisses the person off. It hurts their fragile little feelings that someone has…

Being me has gotten me to where I am

Actually you had a lot of help.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by Fuzzwah »

After the last article I asked the author for info on which books I should look at reading to educate myself. So seeing this section in this new article frustrates me so much:

> It’s your job to educate yourself. You know how to fucking Google and find things on the internet and on your Kindle and your iPad and all those other things, so do it. Don’t ask marginalized and oppressed people to do your homework for you.

Surely lowering the friction and leading those who are interested in learning more via some recommendations is a good idea?

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by orclev »

sp332 wrote: post #6
orclev wrote: post #3

yawn I've seen a bunch of these now and frankly I don't see the point. Maybe we should all become Zen Bhuddist monks and subsist off happy thoughts alone lest we accidentally step on an ant and take a life? I don't know exactly what needs to be done to fix these problems, but I know rants like this do absolutely nothing. You want to see what might make a difference, look at something like this: http://www.hackingplay…

You might willingly step on an ant, but it's good not to be in denial about it.

It's not a question of denial. The argument being put forth is that the tech sector is sexist/racist/whatever-ist, and that therefore anyone who works/is connected with, the tech sector is by association then a sexist/racist/whatever-ist. I reject that assertion. By that same logic everyone over in Syria is a mass murderer, after all, they all live in Syria, and other people who live in Syria are killing lots of people, therefore all Syrians are guilty of murder.

On a related note I don't necessarily even agree with the basic premise of the argument. I'm not entirely convinced that the tech sector is sexist/racist/whatever anymore than the rest of society is. Rather I think the lower representation if women in tech is a symptom of the wider cultural problem and not something that can be laid solely at the feet of the tech industry.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by [deleted] »

orclev wrote: post #25
sp332 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might willingly step on an ant, but it's good not to be in denial about it.

It's not a question of denial. The argument being put forth is that the tech sector is sexist/racist/whatever-ist, and that therefore anyone who works/is connected with, the tech sector is by association then a sexist/racist/whatever-ist. I reject that assertion. By that same logic everyone over in Syria is a mass murderer, after all, they all live in Syria, and other people who live in Syria are killing lots of peop…

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Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by sp332 »

orclev wrote: post #25
sp332 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might willingly step on an ant, but it's good not to be in denial about it.

It's not a question of denial. The argument being put forth is that the tech sector is sexist/racist/whatever-ist, and that therefore anyone who works/is connected with, the tech sector is by association then a sexist/racist/whatever-ist. I reject that assertion. By that same logic everyone over in Syria is a mass murderer, after all, they all live in Syria, and other people who live in Syria are killing lots of peop…

I think society is fucked up too. That doesn't mean tech isn't also fucked up. No one is asking you to take sole responsibility for the gender gap etc. Just pay attention to the times when, by doing exactly the same things everyone around you is doing, you are perpetuating the fucked up system.

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by orclev »

sp332 wrote: post #27
orclev wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a question of denial. The argument being put forth is that the tech sector is sexist/racist/whatever-ist, and that therefore anyone who works/is connected with, the tech sector is by association then a sexist/racist/whatever-ist. I reject that assertion. By that same logic everyone over in Syria is a mass murderer, after all, they all live in Syria, and other people who live in Syria are killing lots of peop…

I think society is fucked up too. That doesn't mean tech isn't also fucked up. No one is asking you to take sole responsibility for the gender gap etc. Just pay attention to the times when, by doing exactly the same things everyone around you is doing, you are perpetuating the fucked up system.

Honestly I think the main reason we don't see more women in tech is because of the school system and the media portrayal of women. Women don't go into tech or science because those are "guy professions", at least according to movies/tv shows/magazines etc. Hell, some of the negative stereotypes the media pushes about tech/science are enough to even scare off a lot of the men.

What sexism exists that's connected to tech is usually from either marketing (E.G. booth babes), or associated cultures like the gaming culture (driven sadly by a lot of 12-16 year old males), or sports culture (Think Madden 2013 or whatever the current year is). There is the brogramming phenomena, but I think that's largely blown out of proportion, and something that I'd frankly love to see stamped out anyway (and arguably just an extension of sports/gaming culture).

Re: Finding Out You’re a Sexist, Misogynistic, Homophobic, Classist, Racist Asshole

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Post by jack-r-abbit »

orclev wrote: post #28
sp332 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think society is fucked up too. That doesn't mean tech isn't also fucked up. No one is asking you to take sole responsibility for the gender gap etc. Just pay attention to the times when, by doing exactly the same things everyone around you is doing, you are perpetuating the fucked up system.

Honestly I think the main reason we don't see more women in tech is because of the school system and the media portrayal of women. Women don't go into tech or science because those are "guy professions", at least according to movies/tv shows/magazines etc. Hell, some of the negative stereotypes the media pushes about tech/science are enough to even scare off a lot of the men. What sexism exists that's connected to te…

Hell... a bunch of people constantly screaming about the infestation of sexist pigs in the tech industry is probably scaring off a lot of people too.
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