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Post by r00fus »

bztzt wrote: post #88
roin wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember when someone writing for TechCrunch published a takedown of the iOS 4 beta for ruining the iPhone experience with distracting features such as folders and wallpaper. The unlikely day that Apple takes the approach that "you don't fix what ain't broke" would be a sad sad day indeed.

I would still question the value of folders. It makes the homescreen customization experience more confusing and frustrating for everyone in exchange for functionality that's only really useful for a small % of enthusiasts.

Almost everyone I talked to uses folders - especially in iOS where you can dynamically create folders by drag/drop. The alternative if you have 3 dozen or more apps is pretty daunting.

Where I do agree with you is that Springboard needs a major update - I want to see a grid of apps I've recently launched for example (the recents tray on double-tap home is way too small). Or ones that have updates/badges so I don't have to hunt over my 5-6 screens for updates. Perhaps the notifications enhancements (and the "today overview" a la Google Now) might alleviate this.

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Post by Domenic_S »

kamjam wrote: post #109
Angostura wrote: post #98

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My concern is the ability of apps to eat all the data in my data plan without me knowing.

This would be my biggest concern too. Due to the huge cost + tax of data plans here in Canada, I'm only on a 1GB per month plan :( I would need the ability to completely turn this off - which according to another comment here it will be.

Don't take this flippantly: have you checked to see how much data you're actually using?

I did when switching carriers and was shocked at how little non-wifi data I was really using. I use plenty of apps, get they typical corporate load of emails, upload photos, read stuff on the internet... and my cellular usage was in the low hundreds. Which made sense thinking about it, wifi at home, wifi at work.

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Post by kunle »

consultant23522 wrote: post #67
kunle wrote: post #33

I think this speaks to something really important that's rarely touched on directly; people hate waiting for software. I despise it. Many ordinary consumers use their phones as a way to solve "waiting" in general (just look what happens when you have a bunch of people in line: they take out their phones to pass the time). To date, the way most developers solve this (Aside from optimizing for performance where possibl…

Yeah, but let's be honest. It's not real productive time. It's Facebook, Twitter, and Candy Crush.

Agreed - definitely not real productive time. Most of the time it's just entertainment (which makes sense if you consider that no one ever has any idea how long they'll be waiting for whatever it is they're waiting for).

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Post by threeseed »

cromwellian wrote: post #118

IIRC, even J2ME MIDP had this feature on feature phones, see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/pushreg-156557.htm... Circa 2002. Everything old is new and magic and amazing now folks!

And I could have implemented this on any computer going back 30 years.

What exactly is your point ?

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Post by threeseed »

leokun wrote: post #116
rimantas wrote: post #112

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Your comment actually is a good example of anti-Apple comment type, and that's it.

I actually quite like Apple products, specifically Macbook Pros and iPads, so that's just miscommunication.

And here comes the typical (and tired) one-two punch.

1. Blame something on Apple "fanboys" or commentariat.

2. When someone calls you out proclaim "but I use/like a Mac".

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by threeseed »

Angostura wrote: post #98
joshdance wrote: post #17

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That's the thing. It will be in the background. You won't even notice.

My concern is the ability of apps to eat all the data in my data plan without me knowing.

Last time I checked WWDC slides it only does this when connected to Wi-Fi.

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Post by jakebellacera »

Someone wrote: post #101
r00fus wrote: post #92

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Great - another option. I prefer my phone deciding when to do this automatically (and maybe an option to disable it so I can run it into the ground if absolutely necessary).

I prefer magic, too, if it works. I doubt it does in this case, though, and I get the impression Apple knows it hasn't nailed it yet, either. At least, elsewhere in this thread people note Apple's stuff can be overridden on a per-app basis. I also get the impression that Apple's idea about the perfect balance between flexibility and "it just works" neighs more towards the latter than Google's ideas about it, as witne…

While I do agree that iOS isn't nearly as flexible as Android, let's just say that 90% of the time you might want to go with a Sync adapter versus rolling your own solution. Also, I believe that Apple has the best intentions at heart when it comes to implementing Background Fetching in it's current spec. I mean, lets face it, it's way better to have a mobile-optimized OS manage resources than for you to do so, don't you agree?

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Post by leokun »

threeseed wrote: post #125
leokun wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually quite like Apple products, specifically Macbook Pros and iPads, so that's just miscommunication.

And here comes the typical (and tired) one-two punch. 1. Blame something on Apple "fanboys" or commentariat. 2. When someone calls you out proclaim "but I use/like a Mac".

Maybe you should reflect on why some people who use and like macs are not fans of Apple fanboy commentary.

Re: iOS7 is not about flat

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Post by cromwellian »

threeseed wrote: post #124
cromwellian wrote: post #118

IIRC, even J2ME MIDP had this feature on feature phones, see http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/pushreg-156557.htm... Circa 2002. Everything old is new and magic and amazing now folks!

And I could have implemented this on any computer going back 30 years. What exactly is your point ?

What you "could" have done, and what was actually done are two different things. Both J2ME and Android had this facility for a long time. Apple, like Microsoft, dragged their feet and badmouthed this feature, then finally ended up implementing it. Now we will be told it is amazing and magical. And of course, the usual excuse will be proffered "Apple held back on it until _it could be done right_".

Remember 7inch tablets would need you to file down your fingers to use? Or that "if you see a task manager, they blew it" and low and behold, a task manager appeared on iOS.

I'm all for Apple implementing these features, but I'm tired of them badmouthing things they don't have, only to trot them out as amazing once they do have them.

Microsoft used to badmouth HTML5 Canvas, then when they finally got a great implementation in IE9, all of a sudden, its WebGL that sucks.

Don't badmouth features just because a competitor has them and you don't, badmouth them if they are indeed, bad features.

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Post by calinet6 »

rsynnott wrote: post #44
calinet6 wrote: post #13

Just what I want: every developer of the 200 apps I have on my phone thinking theirs is the most important one and trying to take over my entire phone every 20 minutes to background process. The self-centered perspective of the article is even slightly disturbing, basically implying that their app needs to pre-load data because it's so important and can't make the user wait. A common perspective, sure, but this is th…

The theory is that the OS will arbitrate. In practice, well, we'll see how well that works.

Despite all the seemingly good measures to avoid problems, this is basically my point.
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