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Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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People talk about stealth candidates in politics. I suspect that phrase will take on new meaning in the future. We'll have candidates whose histories will have been protected from public knowledge in this way.

Or maybe even candidates who have meticulously constructed fake histories for themselves from a young age.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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Yep, that's the problem. As a general rule, driving without a seatbelt is also pretty safe.. until it's not. The question is whether the advantage you get from something is bigger than the potential consequences. I'd say, given the historical track record of governments during the last 100 years, that it's very gullible to believe that whatever future problems our current data sharing will cause will somehow be "fixe…

"I'd say, given the historical track record of governments during the last 100 years, that it's very gullible to believe that whatever future problems our current data sharing will cause will somehow be "fixed" and not have consequences just as long as it affects a critical mass of the population." For that matter, parts of our government like the NSA and the DEA consider the over-sharing of personal data on Facebook…

Exatly. A major argument used in the debate about new data retention laws in Europe was just this: That in face of changing subscription types like prepaid cards, the police needed data retention to still have access to the same data as before.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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This seems incredibly odd to me. On one hand, they indicate strongly valued privacy with the "no posts about the child" rule; seemingly recognizing the hidden costs of permissive 'oversharing'. But, on the other hand, they place a very high importance on reserving (vanity) domain and user names, securing the right for her to sharecrop out her personal information in as-accurate-a-means as possible; reinforcing the va…

the geocities / facebook comparision is pure gold. And yes, I really hope the whole real-name social network trend will be overcome again.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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People keep saying facebook will disappear... but maybe it won't? Maybe it will become like email, less used but ever-present.

Unfortunately, I believe Facebook toed over that critical mass that has moved it into a long-term dominator of social networking. It has long since passed the point where it's going to just go away and be replaced by something else, like Myspace and other past social sites were. They may not be around forever, but it seems unlikely they'll be unseated any time soon. We are no longer in an age where a bunch of geeks m…

AOL is still around, and my sister still has, and uses (infrequently)and aol.com address. Though she would prefer I communicated via facebook.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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I'll grant that it's logically possible. But I don't really understand why people think it's disadvantageous if others can find out whether or not you were cute when you were two years old. I think it has more to do with fear of what's new than any logical argument. Putting my money where my mouth is, here is my son: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7402/9525304181_8da5d48e22_b.j... In what future dystopia will the pres…

Simple example: Your pretty child is also quite a bit overweight. Or fell and got a big bruise that you for some reason just treated yourself and failed to bring up in some health insurance form. Less trivial stuff (like having acne) has been used to deny people coverage when they've been diagnosed with cancer. This is just of the top off my head, which is the point: We simply don't _know_ what might happen in the fu…

(1) that kid is not overweight and (2) it's actually OK from a medical perspective for a child to be a little overweight, as children grow in bursts, have a much better metabolism and their day is filled with plenty of exercise.

And in fact, if a kid doesn't have some meat on their bones, that's a reason for concern.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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As a general rule, it's pretty safe to do "what everybody else is doing." I noticed this rule after the housing crash. If one person was underwater on their mortgage, no one would blink. But, when hundreds of thousands of people become underwater, Congress started to get involved to (attempt to) provide relief. It seems impossible to limit someone's exposure on Facebook, especially when any 3rd party will happily pos…

>But, when hundreds of thousands of people become underwater, Congress started to get involved to (attempt to) provide relief. Yeah, I was almost afraid that I had bought too small of a house, knowing that I would have to pay for my share of the mortgage bailout in extra taxes and value lost to inflation, I might as well buy the most ridiculous crib I could get financing for. Right? But then it came to pass that thos…

That's my whole beef with the "underwater" thing. They seemed to think that house was worth the price they signed up to pay when they did it. Now those houses are not worth as much. Too bad, so sad. I think I should get congress to bail me out on buying a new car. It certainly is not worth as much as it was when I purchased it.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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post #84

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I agree with you, but I suppose the point is to make it the child's decision to share or not when they become mature enough to make that choice. (Personally my wife and I have no information on our kids online, save a self-hosted blog with a password that only family know...).

Sure, the spoken lesson is: be careful what you share, there are risks. But the article isn't about privacy conscientiousness, it's about brand conscientiousness. The author isn't talking about how she might construct rules to effect a safe space for her daughter to grow and learn and internalize these values, separate from known pitfalls that might cause her harm. The author talks only about how she constructed a sa…

Yes, thank you. That's an excellent way to put the same problem I had with this article. The first half is "we're protecting her privacy", and the second half is "we're building a brand identity which will deny her any anonymity".

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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post #116

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> It's great to see someone treat their child's privacy with some value, instead of using them as a way to endear themselves to virtual friends I don't know about you, but I use social networks to share photos with my real friends. Why would I want virtual friends?

Congratulations, but your exception does not disprove my observed generalization. People are, unfortunately, not usually as discreet as you state you are.

With regard to Facebook (what the article focused on), the right generalization seems to be that virtual social networks do, in fact, largely reflect actual social networks https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-data-team/anatomy-of...

The article struck me as paranoid, but I agree with your assessment that the authors' reserving their kids' digital real estate is not contradictory with the authors' concern -- it leaves the choice up to the child.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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Simple example: Your pretty child is also quite a bit overweight. Or fell and got a big bruise that you for some reason just treated yourself and failed to bring up in some health insurance form. Less trivial stuff (like having acne) has been used to deny people coverage when they've been diagnosed with cancer. This is just of the top off my head, which is the point: We simply don't _know_ what might happen in the fu…

(1) that kid is not overweight and (2) it's actually OK from a medical perspective for a child to be a little overweight, as children grow in bursts, have a much better metabolism and their day is filled with plenty of exercise. And in fact, if a kid doesn't have some meat on their bones, that's a reason for concern.

Agreed, but you're not making the argument that a potential health insurance company would (like the acne case I mentioned). And again, this is just off the top of my head. One specific case, one specific instance of "I didn't see that coming", while there may be lots and lots of other such cases.

[Edit: To make it clear, I haven't even looked at the picture previously posted, I was providing an unrelated example.]

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