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Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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It's not you who uploads the pics, it's your friends and family, then they tag the faces. Then fb steals your friends address book info using the facebook app/email connections and builds out a network and ghost profile just for you. You might never use facebook but you're on there. All of us are. Because your friends don't give a damn about privacy and screwed the pooch. And Zuck knows. That's why he said on stage w…

Can they create profiles for children under 13? Can I sue them if my 10 year old child has a ghost profile?

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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post #26

This seems incredibly odd to me. On one hand, they indicate strongly valued privacy with the "no posts about the child" rule; seemingly recognizing the hidden costs of permissive 'oversharing'. But, on the other hand, they place a very high importance on reserving (vanity) domain and user names, securing the right for her to sharecrop out her personal information in as-accurate-a-means as possible; reinforcing the va…

I agree with you, but I suppose the point is to make it the child's decision to share or not when they become mature enough to make that choice. (Personally my wife and I have no information on our kids online, save a self-hosted blog with a password that only family know...).

The point may also be to make sure that someone else doesn't make that decision for their child. That is to say, to make sure that some kid in their class doesn't decide to grab the name so that they can set up a fake profile for their daughter...

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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post #26

This seems incredibly odd to me. On one hand, they indicate strongly valued privacy with the "no posts about the child" rule; seemingly recognizing the hidden costs of permissive 'oversharing'. But, on the other hand, they place a very high importance on reserving (vanity) domain and user names, securing the right for her to sharecrop out her personal information in as-accurate-a-means as possible; reinforcing the va…

People keep saying facebook will disappear... but maybe it won't? Maybe it will become like email, less used but ever-present.

That's a big 'Maybe' given the timeframe

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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> When we think she’s mature enough (an important distinction from her being technically old enough), we’ll hand her an envelope with her master password inside. Let me guess. She'll probably reject that envelope for the following reasons: 1. The account is known to be compromised (being under a third party control). Even if parent credentials could be removed, there's still a possibility they could gain access with…

If I were the daughter I would do this. My identity is what I want it to be. My parents have their own view of me, the government has another, etc.

Really, if I were her, I would gladly accept the domain names and accounts she squatted and point them to her own accounts. Really, not everyone (and I would actually major most don't) want github.com/.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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Disclaimer: I am working on a project in this space with the goal to give parents more control on how to share pictures of their baby (www.getbabydigest.com)

While the author of this article seems to take things to a certain extreme, I think this is a legitimate concern for parents today. Being a new parent, I consider my wife and I to be the average facebook "parent" users. We have a need to share pictures of our kid with close friends and family and since facebook most easily meets that need, my wife and I do post pictures of our kid there. We try to limit it to things we think would not be too embarrassing for him when he looks back them years from now.

It's hard however to know how he is going to react to them 10-20 years from now, let alone any impact it may have on his identity as he gets older. For now, sharing on Facebook, seems like the best alternative to email since its so easy to post and get feedback. I've looked at other alternatives (23snaps, kidfolio) but they all require re-creating my network from scratch which has been a non-starter for me. I think we're lacking a more private, secure alternative to Facebook that still makes sharing & commenting as easy as Facebook. And more importantly does not sell your data.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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post #26

This seems incredibly odd to me. On one hand, they indicate strongly valued privacy with the "no posts about the child" rule; seemingly recognizing the hidden costs of permissive 'oversharing'. But, on the other hand, they place a very high importance on reserving (vanity) domain and user names, securing the right for her to sharecrop out her personal information in as-accurate-a-means as possible; reinforcing the va…

It isn't odd, at all.

It's great to see someone treat their child's privacy with some value, instead of using them as a way to endear themselves to virtual friends or get laughs and votes on reddit, while putting photos and information out there about their kid, without the kid's permission, that will be there forever. The rest of us had the opportunity to come to the internet in a time when someone wasn't putting our information out there.

Reserving accounts at places on their behalf, as well as domains, is also a smart choice. It isn't placing importance on anything. It is simply giving their child the option to have these things in the future. Hopefully, facebook won't exist when this kid grows up. But there's a chance it might. And if it does, then this kid doesn't have to compete with someone else taking the name. More importantly, it prevents someone else from pretending to be you.

I have to do this with my name, too. I have an account on Facebook, though I despise it. Same with the other big social networks and other things I don't use. I have been on the receiving end of someone who was upset with me (one a user I banned from my site after defrauding other users) and did things like make an account under my name and put awful stuff out there as "me". That would be more difficult to do if I'd already staked my claim to that identity (even if I didn't use it).

What these parents are doing is simply investing in retaining the tools with which their child will someday be able to safeguard their privacy and - if necessary - build their professional or other identity. It's worthwhile, today. It'll be even more worthwhile in the future.

Really, I fail to see how anyone can have any problem with this.

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I noticed this rule after the housing crash. If one person was underwater on their mortgage, no one would blink. But, when hundreds of thousands of people become underwater, Congress started to get involved to (attempt to) provide relief. Considering that hundrends of thousadns still lost their houses, it's not much of a comfort -- or good advice in general. "Do what everybody else is doing" will at best lead to me…

Yes. Something about bridge jumping.

I hate it when people say this as a response.

If I'm on a bridge, and people are jumping off en masse, then one of two things is happening:

1. They've all been mentally affected, in which case, I almost certainly am too, or;

2. They know something I don't.

It's disingenuous to throw out a contrived example of a herd of people nonsensically jumping off a bridge. If that many people are jumping off a bridge, you probably should too, because they probably know something you don't (yet).

Re: We Post Nothing About Our Daughter Online

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post #26

This seems incredibly odd to me. On one hand, they indicate strongly valued privacy with the "no posts about the child" rule; seemingly recognizing the hidden costs of permissive 'oversharing'. But, on the other hand, they place a very high importance on reserving (vanity) domain and user names, securing the right for her to sharecrop out her personal information in as-accurate-a-means as possible; reinforcing the va…

People keep saying facebook will disappear... but maybe it won't? Maybe it will become like email, less used but ever-present.

Unfortunately, I believe Facebook toed over that critical mass that has moved it into a long-term dominator of social networking. It has long since passed the point where it's going to just go away and be replaced by something else, like Myspace and other past social sites were. They may not be around forever, but it seems unlikely they'll be unseated any time soon. We are no longer in an age where a bunch of geeks moving on to something new changes the dynamic of the internet. We are now in a time when the average Joe Sixpack and his grandmother don't look for new things, don't try new things, and don't care about new things. They will stick with Facebook indefinitely, the same way a lot of people still stick with the big three over the air networks for their sole television entertainment.
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