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Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

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Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

#11
For me the most interesting piece in that article was the image of a crossing where pedestrians can actually walk _across_ the crossing (like, diagonally) instead of just a single street.

Haven't seen those anywhere here and I assume those are actually kind of nasty for car traffic (since .. all directions need to stop). Fascinating :)

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

#12
post #7

There's some next-level traffic light voodoo I often see people attempting in the UK, which is repeatedly pressing the button. I like the idea that it's a democratic process: only when pedestrians outnumber cars will the lights change.

I've seen people do this with the Clear button on calculators. They press it repeatedly, presumably in the belief that extra presses make it "really cancel". Something to do with their mental model of the calculator's internal state?

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

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post #7

There's some next-level traffic light voodoo I often see people attempting in the UK, which is repeatedly pressing the button. I like the idea that it's a democratic process: only when pedestrians outnumber cars will the lights change.

People go a bit further in Australia. I've heard many different peoples stories of timing (you push it and hold for 7 seconds) or repetition (12 presses and it'll change right now). Complete nonsense of course, but it's amusing how far positive reenforcement can get a story.

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

#14

For me the most interesting piece in that article was the image of a crossing where pedestrians can actually walk _across_ the crossing (like, diagonally) instead of just a single street. Haven't seen those anywhere here and I assume those are actually kind of nasty for car traffic (since .. all directions need to stop). Fascinating :)

Many intersections (like California/Alaska Junction in West Seattle) have all-way pedestrian crosses, which are safer when you think about it (can walk diagonal, no worries about right turns).

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

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post #7

There's some next-level traffic light voodoo I often see people attempting in the UK, which is repeatedly pressing the button. I like the idea that it's a democratic process: only when pedestrians outnumber cars will the lights change.

I've seen people do this with the Clear button on calculators. They press it repeatedly, presumably in the belief that extra presses make it "really cancel". Something to do with their mental model of the calculator's internal state?

I used to do this. It's because of the confusing presence of the AC button. The UI has made clear to you that there are multiple levels of cancellation, one can in fact "really cancel." We know full well that there is some overcomplex internal state to the device, and rather than reading the manual for a calculator (honestly) we hammer the cancel button a few times, just to make sure.

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

#16
"The short answer is - it depends. At a standalone pedestrian crossing, unconnected to a junction, the button will turn a traffic light red

At a junction it is more complicated."

That's all you need to know.

I've been to places where the 1st case applies. Press the button, the car signal turns yellow immediately (light traffic and light pedestrian traffic)

At a crossing, let's see, you got there and you pressed the button, then another person came and pressed the button to cross the other street (meaning, traffic where you want to cross)

No system can make sense of these requests, and the traffic has to flow. Makes sense to just go through the movements and ignore the buttons.

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

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post #4

Not nearly as annoying as lift/elevator buttons.

There is a persistent myth that some elevators (aka 'lifts' in my part fo the world) have an express mode that can take you to a chosen floor by pressing the door close button in conjunction with the appropriate floor button [1]. As far as I know its false. I try to avoid using elevators, but the ones I do use always seem to have a key slot to allow them to be put into 'privileged' mode.

[1] http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/17/051017ta_talk_pa...

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

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In York (UK) it is a mixed bag. There are a couple of simple pedestrian crossings near my home where the lights never change without a press and change very quickly once requested. At junctions it is more complex and seems to vary: some definitely have their sequence altered by specific pedestrian requests, some definitely seem not to. I've not noted if any vary by time of day, as some people report.

Well this is a rare treat, a fellow York dweller, greetings!

Re: Does pressing the pedestrian crossing button actually do anything?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen people do this with the Clear button on calculators. They press it repeatedly, presumably in the belief that extra presses make it "really cancel". Something to do with their mental model of the calculator's internal state?

I used to do this. It's because of the confusing presence of the AC button. The UI has made clear to you that there are multiple levels of cancellation, one can in fact "really cancel." We know full well that there is some overcomplex internal state to the device, and rather than reading the manual for a calculator (honestly) we hammer the cancel button a few times, just to make sure.

I hadn't thought of that, but it makes sense.

A quick search reveals that some calculators have an AC button (clear everything) and a C button (clear last entry), while others have C (clear everything) and CE (clear last entry). Definitely confusing.

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