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Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

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Post by kyro »

rbanffy wrote: post #89
harrytuttle wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here we go with the shill comments... If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are a shill. This isn't Slashdot!

> If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are a shill. Maybe, but sometimes this is the simplest explanation to a well-timed explosion of PR-like, blatantly untrue, astroturfish and "loltastic" statements. Nokia is a failure in the smartphone business, only out-failed by Blackberry at the moment. Microsoft has been a has been in that sector since the arrival of the first iPhone. If anyone seriously bel…

The simplest way to vet that explanation was to simply click on my profile and see that I've been here for years with a karma count that certainly doesn't trip any shill account alarms.

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

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Post by orf »

tomflack wrote: post #98
orf wrote: post #78

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I think WP8 is excellent, I meant that it is not as bad as he seems to think it is. Its also not all doom and gloom for WP, my employee (a large multinational company, thousands of employees) is switching all its employee phones from Blackberry to WP8. Even if its consumer market isn't that big you have to remember that a lot of the business world runs on Microsoft's software and it all ties together very nicely with…

The only way that Windows Phone ties to Microsoft's enterprise offerings better than iPhone is the name. Literally everything else can be done on iOS, often better.

At three times the price. You don't need any additional software to manage them (if you use System center that is) and it "just works" (tm). When your company runs on Microsoft it makes sense to go with Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

#103

Post by tincholio »

tanzam75 wrote: post #34
cpeterso wrote: post #26

The press release says Microsoft will acquire Nokia’s Devices & Services business and license Nokia’s patents and mapping services. So what happens to the rest of Nokia?

> So what happens to the rest of Nokia? Nokia keeps the other two divisions. Nokia is now primarily a telecoms infrastructure company, like Alcatel-Lucent. They're pretty closely matched. Alcatel-Lucent had €14.4 billion of revenues in 2012, while Nokia Siemens Networks took in €13.1 billion of revenues. There's also the mapping division, but that's just 10% of the new Nokia's revenues. I'm surprised Microsoft did no…

> Nokia Siemens Networks

NSN is no longer Nokia Siemens Networks; it's Nokia Solutions and Networks now, and Siemens is no longer part of it.

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

#104

Post by harrytuttle »

kyro wrote: post #101
rbanffy wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are a shill. Maybe, but sometimes this is the simplest explanation to a well-timed explosion of PR-like, blatantly untrue, astroturfish and "loltastic" statements. Nokia is a failure in the smartphone business, only out-failed by Blackberry at the moment. Microsoft has been a has been in that sector since the arrival of the first iPhone. If anyone seriously bel…

The simplest way to vet that explanation was to simply click on my profile and see that I've been here for years with a karma count that certainly doesn't trip any shill account alarms.

Indeed and if you look at the accuser's account, it reads like a Slashdot profile :)

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

#105

Post by discodave »

trailfox wrote: post #86
devx wrote: post #50

Seems like Elop stayed true to his nickname - of a trojan horse. He never really worked for Nokia. He's been working for Microsoft the whole time, just to sell it for this low price. How the hell are the shareholders okay with this? I'm shocked it sold for under $10 billion. Nokia's total valuation is about 15 billion, and you'd have to imagine they'd have to pay a 30 percent premium when buying it, so that's $20 bil…

> Seems like Elop stayed true to his nickname - of a trojan horse. Wonder if it was intentional to run Nokia into the ground or just sheer incompetence?

Remember Hanlons razor...

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

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Post by rbanffy »

kyro wrote: post #101
rbanffy wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are a shill. Maybe, but sometimes this is the simplest explanation to a well-timed explosion of PR-like, blatantly untrue, astroturfish and "loltastic" statements. Nokia is a failure in the smartphone business, only out-failed by Blackberry at the moment. Microsoft has been a has been in that sector since the arrival of the first iPhone. If anyone seriously bel…

The simplest way to vet that explanation was to simply click on my profile and see that I've been here for years with a karma count that certainly doesn't trip any shill account alarms.

I made a direct reply to your comment as well. Sorry if it looks like I am accusing you of being part of a deliberate PR attack on online communities. I still agree, however, with joe_the_user's comment: your claim looks a lot like what an astroturfer would say.

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

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Post by rbanffy »

orf wrote: post #73
joe_the_user wrote: post #64

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This is an acquisition that arguably puts Microsoft mobile capabilities above that of Google's, and closest to Apple's. To have this loltastic sentence at the top of hn makes me wonder if MS or some PR has a bunch of shill accounts they roll out for occasions like this. Seriously? As the other reply said, they were already together. And losing. Badly. And hated, broadly. And the reason the windows phone sucks so badl…

I take it you have never used a Windows Phone. The Lumia's Nokia make are well designed and high quality, WP8 isn't that bad at all and will undoubtedly get better in the future. Everyone I've met with a WP device (Which is a lot, a fair percentage of my coursemates own one) is happy with it. And so to escape MS will have to back out of their deal entirely, go back to designing phones and PC OSes separately, and give…

> I take it you have never used a Windows Phone.

I have. In fact, it's a perfectly good phone - works well, makes and receives calls with good quality, does not experience loss-of-signal too frequently and both browsing and e-mail work as expected.

But that is the feature set of a featurephone. Coincidence or not, former featurephone users are the only demographic where Windows Phone is growing.

"It doesn't suck" is not competitive these days. Certainly, there are iOS and Android and Blackberry devices that do suck, but there are plenty others that don't.

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

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Post by timdellinger »

"Microsoft will draw upon its overseas cash resources to fund the transaction."

This is an important aspect of the deal - bringing money earned overseas into the US is often costly (taxes, etc.). As a result, US companies often end up with cash sitting overseas with nothing to spend it on, and are hesitant to take the hit that happens when they bring it to the US... so this is a great way for Microsoft to use that money in an effective way.

According to this article, Microsoft has $60 Billion sitting offshore in order to avoid US taxes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/connieguglielmo/2013/08/01/apple...

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

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Post by rbanffy »

harrytuttle wrote: post #93
rbanffy wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are a shill. Maybe, but sometimes this is the simplest explanation to a well-timed explosion of PR-like, blatantly untrue, astroturfish and "loltastic" statements. Nokia is a failure in the smartphone business, only out-failed by Blackberry at the moment. Microsoft has been a has been in that sector since the arrival of the first iPhone. If anyone seriously bel…

Perhaps people are motivated by the news and wish to defend their knowledge investments? It's not a failure, nor is it a success. Yet. People were saying this a decade ago about the Xbox remember. Microsoft only decided to compete just over two years ago and they're entering a very competitive market. It takes time to get traction on these things and they're doing it, just slowly. The potential to grow exponentially…

> People were saying this a decade ago about the Xbox remember.

The Xbox was a failure.

The Xbox 360 was better executed than the more ambitious PS3. It succeeded while the PS3 did not do so well, yet the PS3 is far from being a failure.

> Microsoft only decided to compete just over two years ago

You are ignoring the decade+ behind WindowsCE and Windows Mobile. Microsoft has always been a player in this market.

Re: Microsoft to acquire Nokia

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Post by rbanffy »

berntb wrote: post #57
Shamanmuni wrote: post #29

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But they were together already. This past time Nokia only developed Windows phones and Microsoft paid for the marketing of the Lumia. Nokia had Stephen Elop as CEO, for crying out loud. We already knew Nokia was a part of Microsoft. This is not a move, just a formality; the low price gives you another hint. If the partnership Microsoft-Nokia could have changed their positions in the mobile sector, it would have happe…

>>Nothing will change as a result of this. A good guess is that the enthusiasm at e.g. Samsung for making Windows Phones have gone down quite a bit... Windows Phones seems to be an internal Microsoft thing now, Xbox style.

> the enthusiasm at e.g. Samsung for making Windows Phones have gone down quite a bit...

It's probably part of their IP licensing deal about the secret patent list Android violates. They pay less per Android phone if and only if they build Windows Phone devices.

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