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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by ajuc »

rayiner wrote: post #369
corresation wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. The core problem with the "no money in Android" argument is that you can't choose not to compete with Android if you're in the smartphone game, which is pretty obvio…

The fact that a lot of people would have bought the phone doesn't mean it would result in profit. Lots of people by HTC phones, but that company is circling the drain. The problem is that an Android phone is a commodity. Its hard to differentiate yourself on the product side. That means you're in extreme price/specs competition. That drives profits towards zero, just as they are on other commodity platforms like the…

What would you choose: small profits, or no customers? That's the choice.

Android was "IBM PC trick", and competititors trying to preserve high margins and differentiate their products will end like Amiga, Commodore or Atari.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by smackfu »

flyt wrote: post #45
rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

How well does the first party Instagram app run on that Lumia?

Instagram didn't even make an Android first-party app for 16 months after the iOS one.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by rthomas6 »

rodolphoarruda wrote: post #409
DominikR wrote: post #282

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A 2.3 Phone will run almost every existing Android app out there. In fact, most Android apps target 2.2 and up.

Yes, and that point drove my decision to buy my now 2 year old Samsung Ace. It was a 2.3 device, thus it will run most apps without any issues. What I found later was that a particular hardware spec would really annoy me to the point that I couldn't install any more apps, and it's probably an issue that many low end phone users face: small internal memory. Hey, the phone has only 128Mb of memory for apps. The problem…

If it has an SD card slot, you can fix this problem by rooting the phone and installing a custom ROM that lets you force apps to be stored to the card. That's what I would do. In the process you would even get to have a 4.1 or so version of Android.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by freehunter »

Samuel_Michon wrote: post #320
mynameisvlad wrote: post #313

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That's a dozen years ago. So while you may think it's relevant now, it's not. Since then, most of the leadership has changed, and, really because of that lawsuit, Microsoft became more serious, precautious company.

Last year, Microsoft was ordered by the EU to pay Euro 860 million, for breaking promises it made after the 2004 antitrust case. In March of this year, Microsoft was fined another Euro 561 million. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

A ruling that is very controversial. The browser ballot was enforced based on the idea that Microsoft had a dominant share of the market, which this very thread goes out of its way to disprove. The EU decision was a cash grab, nothing more. Microsoft has no market dominance, and other more dominant players aren't forced to live by the same rules. If Android has 80% market share, why isn't Google forced to present a choice of default browser at first start up (simply allowing alternative browsers in the ecosystem was not enough for Microsoft in this case)?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by X4 »

sker wrote: post #21

That kills my hopes for a Nokia Android phone. Also, Elop seems like the least interesting character to succeed Ballmer. What does he bring to the table? What has he done? Guy looks like a careerist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Elop#Career

Oouh.. that reads like he managed to get every company he worked for to fade away, go bancrupt or loose competitive strength in a very short time. This. Or he was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time, very often.

    * DEAD: Lotus Development Corporation
    * DEAD: Boston Chicken
    * SOLD: Macromedia's
    * ALIVE: Juniper Networks
    * DECLINING: Microsoft Dynamics
I don't know this guy, but if that's the best they can get..

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by Swannie »

wmt wrote: post #68
bsimpson wrote: post #17

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- here.com maps - mobile broadband - r&d citation: http://press.nokia.com/2013/09/03/nokia-to-sell-devices-serv...

Nokia Siemens Networks (NSN) is also not small

No longer Nokia Siemens Networks. Nokia recently bought out their share from Siemens, and now called "Nokia Solutions and Networks". It's been a solid revenue generator for them.

Just like Motorola which has a lot of cell tower/radio networking etc. that is didn't sell to Google, Nokia is a huge player in base stations/NodeB's, etc. that it's not selling.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by fmax30 »

fmax30 wrote: post #142

This was pretty much almost expected. What microsoft did was made nokia very much dependent upon microsoft. Then it buys it, a stroke of genius i tell you.

Might I know the reason for the DownVote ? I just presented my observation , if you disagree then please by all means let us have a gentleman's discussion.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

cageface wrote: post #325
mynameisvlad wrote: post #312

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As I said, market share is not an appropriate measure of a user experience people consider superior. People's choices of a Galaxy S4/HTC One over an iPhone could be caused by liking the Android UX more, but there's also many other reasons for it (friends like it more, already in Google ecosystem, upgrading from previous phone, etc). There's many possible reasons for one person choosing one phone over the other, and,…

Samsung now rates higher than iPhone for user satisfaction: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2422525,00.asp http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9241257/Samsung_smart...

Motorola and HTC too:

http://fr.slideshare.net/OnDevice/us-uk-device-satisfaction

Slides 6 (for US) and 9 for (UK)

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by Swannie »

nemothekid wrote: post #110
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #19

To everyone speculating about what this means for the possibility of Elop succeeding Ballmer: this means that Elop is succeeding Ballmer. End of story. edit: I would love to know why this is getting downvoted. edit2: fair enough. Two key facts: 1. Microsoft needs a new CEO. They have a limited pool to choose from. The following are seemingly reasonable candidates: - Mark Zuckerberg (never going to happen, he wouldn't…

Why would Zuckerberg or Sandberg be good candidates from Microsoft CEO? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to slight Facebook, but in my mind Facebook and Microsoft operate on two completely different wavelengths. I'm confident they wouldn't perform poorly, but I find it hard to believe they could provide the type of leadership and vision Microsoft needs right now. I'm just interested in hearing your thinking. Also n…

Yeah, I strongly agree. I never understood why people think Sandberg or Zuckerberg would every be considered by the board. Facebook is such a totally different business to one building software and hardware for operating systems, office tools, web and email platforms, cloud services, systems management, identity management, mobile platforms, gaming platform development, unified communications, collaboration software, CRM, etc. etc. etc. (the list goes on and on).

A much better fit would be someone from Oracle or IBM. Or even someone from a large enterprise systems company with deep software background (e.g. someone from SAP, Cisco, CA).

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by hippiefahrzeug »

threeseed wrote: post #414
hippiefahrzeug wrote: post #322

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I think Elop's greatest achievement is to sell people the "There is no money in being an Android vendor"-lie. And people are actually buying it. WP market is much much smaller, so, by becoming a big player in this market, which Nokia achieved in very little time, they became in fact a big player in a market where there really is no money. Had they instead of this focused on becoming a big player in a market that actu…

Hilarious. How is that river of money working out for HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola ?

Remind me: which company has just been sold for peanuts after trying the WP strategy?
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