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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by brador »

hannibal5 wrote: post #305
DominikR wrote: post #296

To me, this is borderline criminal behaviour and shows once more that Microsoft is incapable of playing fair. Installing a trojan horse as Nokias CEO, who then proceeds to destroy any value left in that company so that Microsoft can pick it up for a cheap price. I'd be amazed if Elop is promoted to MS's CEO position for such deceitful behaviour

MS is known for it's ruthless business tactics. Nokia joins the long list of MS partners who got hosed. It's impossible to say how well planned this whole thing was, or if there was any gaps. But it's certainly possible. 1. Elop is the new rising star in MS. 2. Big American shareholders (who own more MS stock than Nokia) force Ollila to pick guy from America. 3. Elop commits to MS software almost instantly. 4. Widely…

How does 4. ballmer retirement play into things?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by nickik »

bdcravens wrote: post #343
DominikR wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 2.3 Phone will run almost every existing Android app out there. In fact, most Android apps target 2.2 and up.

Most of the phones running 2.3 aren't shipping with Google Play (is Play even compatible?), so there isn't the integrated app marketplace that defines the modern smartphone experience. These are drastically underpowered devices. Even if an app can run on 2.2, it doesn't mean it'll run well (or at all) on sub-$100 hardware.

Mini is 2.3 and uses Google Play.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by RoryH »

regularfry wrote: post #338
3825 wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nokia n95 was announced in September 2006 and available in March 2007. Its ad slogan was "It's what computers have become."[0] What stands out in the second paragraph of the article where they highlight the capabilities is "the ability to install and run third party Java ME or Symbian mobile applications". By contrast, the iPhone was decidedly not a computer. Not in the traditional sense. It is apparent in hindsi…

I'd argue that the N770 in 2005 was even more interesting. Less polished as a product overall, but if they'd just slapped a phone in it...

I had the 7650 in 2004. It had third party apps and I believe it was the first camera phone also. I was a die-hard Nokia fan, even purchasing a full-price N97 before jumping ship to Android in 2010

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by asveikau »

jmspring wrote: post #193
shmerl wrote: post #122

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Key to success since it allowed Nokia developing modern and versatile system. Not sure what you meant by no support and not shipping. It was cancelled, obviously. What kind of support do you expect from a cancelled system? Elop cut off that road for Nokia, and their independence was doomed ever since. It was probably the plan all along. It's good that we have Jolla folks now, who continue Meego heritage. But now they…

Meego wasn't ready to ship, Nokia needed a different OS and Microsoft needed devices. Not ideal for either case, but I don't think a Nokia based on Meego with out the infusion of cash that came in from MSFT would have gone anywhere. Everything one hears about Windows Phone is the "lack of apps". I suspect a system based on Meego would have been a bigger challenge for Nokia than the cash and backing that came from MSF…

I feel like the N900 was very close to what they needed. Take that, give it "minor" features like support for portrait mode (!), give it some modern hardware with a capacitive touch screen, and I think they would have really had something.

I didn't like the UI refresh in the N9 as much. It felt like they took a few steps back.

It did seem like Maemo/Meego was mismanaged, which is sad because it did have potential. I have no idea what went on at Nokia, but my guess would have to be that they never fully committed to it; it was just somebody's side-project, and all the talk that it would be their next-gen primary platform was just lip service. As if nobody expected it would ever ship "for real".

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by crocowhile »

brador wrote: post #351
hannibal5 wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS is known for it's ruthless business tactics. Nokia joins the long list of MS partners who got hosed. It's impossible to say how well planned this whole thing was, or if there was any gaps. But it's certainly possible. 1. Elop is the new rising star in MS. 2. Big American shareholders (who own more MS stock than Nokia) force Ollila to pick guy from America. 3. Elop commits to MS software almost instantly. 4. Widely…

How does 4. ballmer retirement play into things?

6. Elop becomes new MS CEO

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

#356

Post by DominikR »

bdcravens wrote: post #343
DominikR wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 2.3 Phone will run almost every existing Android app out there. In fact, most Android apps target 2.2 and up.

Most of the phones running 2.3 aren't shipping with Google Play (is Play even compatible?), so there isn't the integrated app marketplace that defines the modern smartphone experience. These are drastically underpowered devices. Even if an app can run on 2.2, it doesn't mean it'll run well (or at all) on sub-$100 hardware.

"Most of the phones running 2.3 aren't shipping with Google Play (is Play even compatible?)"

This is wrong, Google Play is compatible with every Android device. (link: http://source.android.com/compatibility/)

I don't know where you got this information from, but I can assure you that 99,9999% of all Android devices you'll find outside of China will have Google Play on it.

"These are drastically underpowered devices. Even if an app can run on 2.2, it doesn't mean it'll run well (or at all) on sub-$100 hardware."

Drastically underpowered like an iPhone4/4S? Most 2.2 - 2.3.3 devices out there are just 1-2 year old phones, so of course they are underpowered compared to todays standards.

Still, most apps will run on those devices the same way they still run on an iPhone4/4S - in a few cases slow, but still usable for the mayority of consumers.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by Fuxy »

corresation wrote: post #84
rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. The core problem with the "no money in Android" argument is that you can't choose not to compete with Android if you're in the smartphone game, which is pretty obvio…

Nokia is an excellent company and they built the best mobile phones before the smartphone craze. Just as a testament to how good they are there are still pre-smarphone craze Nokia phones available and their probably the best choice if you tend to drop your phones very often or get mad easily and like to trow them to relieve some anger.

I was very disappointed when they choose to sell their new Lumia phones with windows. I would have bought a Nokia with Android in a heartbeat but the fact that they choose Microsoft made me think twice and I eventually went with Samsung.

I just hope Microsoft doesn't ruin Nokia they're still one of the better hardware manufacturers unfortunately they were never very good at software.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by _djo_ »

3825 wrote: post #289
regularfry wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Nokia had more to do with Nokia's decline than iOS or Android. They had the hardware and software to do what Apple and Palm did at least a full generation before iPhone 1.

The Nokia n95 was announced in September 2006 and available in March 2007. Its ad slogan was "It's what computers have become."[0] What stands out in the second paragraph of the article where they highlight the capabilities is "the ability to install and run third party Java ME or Symbian mobile applications". By contrast, the iPhone was decidedly not a computer. Not in the traditional sense. It is apparent in hindsi…

The N95 had a decidedly subpar user experience. The OS was slow, unstable and clearly long past its use-by date and the available apps were with few exceptions really crappy lowest-common denominator stuff.

I say this as a one-time Nokia N95 owner (and long-time Nokia smartphone owner) who moved to an iPhone and found it a revelation. Nokia were ridiculously far behind at that point, the N95 was their best effort and it was one of the most frustrating phones I've ever used.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by brador »

crocowhile wrote: post #355
brador wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does 4. ballmer retirement play into things?

6. Elop becomes new MS CEO

Could it have been 'we need a new ceo, hey that guy from Nokia looks like a good candidate, buy nokia, get Elop, make Elop ceo' without the conspiracy?
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