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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by snom380 »

cageface wrote: post #230
ddeck wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. That's like suggesting that Mercedes Benz have lost already to Ford because they have smaller market share. Apple produce a premium product with prices and margins that reflect that. Of course they would prefer dominant market share, as would Mercedes. But a non-majority share does not imply that they've somehow lost.

The car analogy gets trotted out over and over again when talking about smart phone market share but it really doesn't work at all. Smart phone ecosystems have powerful network effects that just don't exist for most luxury goods.

Maybe a better example is the PC market, where Apple also has a small market share but huge profits?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by frank_boyd »

Ecio78 wrote: post #241
frank_boyd wrote: post #225

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Exactly. And Apple too. But we have 2 alternatives now (and they are even open-source!): 1. Ubuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone 2. FirefoxOS: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/os/ So why does it look like everyone's already back to "whatever!"-mode as far as your right to privacy is concerned?

Out of curiosity, what are you using as your main phone? The not-yet-existing Ubuntu one, one of the two just-released-still-very-beta-and-low-spec FFOS devices, a closed source Blackberry/feature/dumb phone, or one of the three big names (MS/Apple/Google) you're criticizing?

Samsung Galaxy Nexus.

Everything you need already works just fine (and perfection will be there very soon).

If you need to know precisely about the current status:

- The most official phones: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZ...

- The entire list (including the "unofficial" ones): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by shmerl »

leaffig wrote: post #248
shmerl wrote: post #101

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Somehow I expect that MS will still have a strong say in how those patents are going to be used. This already happened with attack on VP8 even without any acquisition. MS hand behind it was not even very hidden. It will only get worse now.

>This already happened with attack on VP8 even without any acquisition. MS hand behind it was not even very hidden. Nokia was really starving for money and wanted to monetize their patents, and saw VP8 as a threat. Instead of waiting for it to be popular and then pounce, they pre-emptively requested Google(which is rolling in dough) to license their patents. They did spend a lot on R&D in their heyday, they're not a…

>Nokia was really starving for money and wanted to monetize their patents, and saw VP8 as a threat.

I doubt it. It looked more like an attack on the open web. MS and Apple always didn't like open codecs. They never even implemented them in their browsers and products. Nokia is not part of MPEG-LA, so they aren't really direct competitors codecs wise. So I see no point for Nokia themselves to be such jerks as to attack open codecs. It makes more sense to do such thing for MS or Apple, and MS is in closer proximity here.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by BuddhaSource »

Joeri wrote: post #237
corresation wrote: post #84

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There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. The core problem with the "no money in Android" argument is that you can't choose not to compete with Android if you're in the smartphone game, which is pretty obvio…

WP8 suffers more from a perception problem than anything else. I just switched from android to wp8 and the way i see it i got the smooth interaction and ease of use of iOS at the price point of android. The US market is a special beast because the subsidies erase most of the price difference, but in markets where people buy unlocked I think WP8 can take a lot of market share away from android by virtue of its better…

I agree with this.

I switched to windows 8 from Android and suddenly I realised this is underrated. OS is well build but suffers a lot because of perception. Apps are limited of course but there is a great potential.

A developer build a cool Instagram client for windows phone called 6tag. In 1-2days he got 2 million downloads, not to mention you have to pay to remove ads & upload more than 1 video. The ux is really cool too.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by bostik »

foxylad wrote: post #196
shmerl wrote: post #118

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And, naturally the one pulling the strings will be MS.

They'll simply dust off the SCO playbook. Unless the new CEO is made of very different stuff; or US legislators realise that patent aggression is the last refuge of a scoundrel, to paraphrase Samuel Johnson.

I think you mean Samuel Clemens.

Better known by his pen-name, Mark Twain.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by BuddhaSource »

rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

Its great, Why do I feel 7.2B is very low?

The acquisition includes distribution channels around the world, factories, devices, R&D and softwares including google maps replacement Nokia Here, which in my opinion very good too.

When we compare this to a software starup Tumblr with 1.2B this seems very less. I could be wrong and missing something big.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by Ecio78 »

frank_boyd wrote: post #252
Ecio78 wrote: post #241

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Out of curiosity, what are you using as your main phone? The not-yet-existing Ubuntu one, one of the two just-released-still-very-beta-and-low-spec FFOS devices, a closed source Blackberry/feature/dumb phone, or one of the three big names (MS/Apple/Google) you're criticizing?

Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Everything you need already works just fine (and perfection will be there very soon). If you need to know precisely about the current status: - The most official phones: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZ... - The entire list (including the "unofficial" ones): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices

You mean Galaxy Nexus running Ubuntu?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by Nux »

What a tragic end to the sad story of Nokia.

It was a long time coming now, but I'm still gobsmacked.

Looking back it's as if Elop and whoever his puppeteer is did all they could to undermine this company.

Sold to Microsoft for bits. Even Motorola sold for twice as much.

Nokia would have made money from Android. The market is massive and still growing.

There is no bright future with Microsoft. People don't buy or recommend Windows phone, not at a rate that matters they don't.

What a sad day. Farewell, Nokia.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by Nux »

rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

This is not a great move. A great move would've been to sell Android phones, even in the 25th hour.

Suicide by Microsoft.

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