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Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by nemothekid » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

undoware wrote: post #48

Here's my take. Nokia's downfall has literally been the biggest business failure in the history of the planet - see communities-dominate.blogs.com for backstory. (As I mentioned in a previous post; I'm largely summarizing things Tomi proves with hard data.) My interpretation of this is that the increasingly untenable position of Stephen Elop began to incriminate the whole board, as any toppling of Elop would invite a…

Is there a specific post you wanted to highlight on communities-dominate.blogs.com?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by bsimpson » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #53

bsimpson wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that was ever likely with Elop at the helm, but Nokia is now out of the phone business until at least 2016.

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Yup:

Upon the closing of the transaction, Nokia would be restricted from licensing the Nokia brand for use in connection with mobile device sales for 30 months and from using the Nokia brand on Nokia's own mobile devices until December 31, 2015.

MS bought their present design team and fab facilities, but what's left of Nokia can reenter the device business in 2016.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by alxbrun » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

1 living dead + 1 living dead = ...

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by wmt » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

Nokia was not acquired by MS, Nokia sold them their burning platform, their phone department.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by corresation » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #75

rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

There is nothing great in notorious patent aggressor (MS) getting tons of mobile related patents...

Some reports are incorrectly stating that Microsoft is buying the patents, while Microsoft's own press release clearly states that they are only licensing them for a term of 10 years.

This is almost certainly to satisfy regulators who will have final say over whether this transaction will close.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by bender80 » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 3:58 AM UTC

netforay wrote: post #81

adamwintle wrote: post #34

Nokia sold to Microsoft for ~$1.5 billion less than what Skype was sold for

It is $7.17 http://allthingsd.com/20130902/microsoft-to-buy-nokias-devic... But still less than $8.5 paid for Skype. (Which I think is total waste of money)

Well it's not all of Nokia.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by MichaelMoser123 » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 4:00 AM UTC

In Tel Aviv we have the Nokia stadium (that's because Nokia sponsored the reconstruction of the thing); will we now have a Microsoft stadium instead ?

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by nivla » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 4:00 AM UTC

throwaway1979 wrote: post #36

Two turkeys don't make an eagle

But it does feed a family of ten... keeping useless jokes aside; Despite loving my Lumia Windows phone, I am not too thrilled about this acquisition either. I just hope Microsoft's internal politics doesn't ruin Nokia's future!

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by the_economist » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 4:03 AM UTC

netforay wrote: post #81

adamwintle wrote: post #34

Nokia sold to Microsoft for ~$1.5 billion less than what Skype was sold for

It is $7.17 http://allthingsd.com/20130902/microsoft-to-buy-nokias-devic... But still less than $8.5 paid for Skype. (Which I think is total waste of money)

Skype accounted for an ungodly 167 billion international call minutes in 2012. It is perhaps not fair to belittle them.

Re: Nokia acquired by Microsoft

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Post by macspoofing » Tue, Sep 03, 2013, 4:03 AM UTC

corresation wrote: post #84

rayiner wrote: post #38

This is a great move. There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. With Windows Phone, Nokia and Microsoft at least have some hope of carving out a profitable stake in the market. Anecdotally, I'm very impressed with some of the new Lumias. I got a 620 to replace my stolen iPhone, and for $200 unlocked its phenomenal phone. The build quality makes a flag…

There is no money in being an Android vendor except if you're Samsung and are totally vertically integrated. There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android. The core problem with the "no money in Android" argument is that you can't choose not to compete with Android if you're in the smartphone game, which is pretty obvio…

>There are a lot of people who would have picked up the attractive, well built, well engineered Nokia devices if they had the platform of Android.

Yeah maybe. There is no guarantee that the outcome would have been more favorable than being bought out by Microsoft.

>Apple obviously is very much in a battle with Android ...

Apple already lost to Android. Last count, Android had 80% of the market. There is zero chance of that changing anytime soon. Apple's saving grace is that they can cut themselves a nice little niche, and make some good margins based on the strength of their brand much like they do with Macs. This will be doubly true if HTML pushes out native apps and and makes the platform largely superfluous again. The war is over however.