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Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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I can't imagine there won't be major improvements to conventional high speed rail that will be able to run on existing lines. This requires an entirely new track that can't be used for anything else and the trainset itself can't be upgraded as easily as it is tied to the track. These will be also limited by the noise they produce; even if they can go faster in theory noise pollution is going to be a major issue as is…

The vast majority of cost of the project goes towards building the track (through the mountains, 60% of the distance will be inside tunnels). That investment will probably still be useable when train technology improves.

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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I wish this mode of transportation would be practical and affordable here in the US. I like the light rail in Denver, and the subways in San Francisco. Made getting around town really easy and affordable. Unfortunately with the distance between cities here it is more practical to take a flight.

Depends on the cities. NY-SF by train will remain nonsense forever, but the eastern seaboard and a bunch of other clusters (LA-SF, Great Lakes stuff, I think the obama admin had a map of zones they wanted to put HSR proposals for a few years back) could be serviced by high-speed train, even more so with maglev (which extends the competitive range of train against plane) My personal rule of thumb[0] is modern HSTs (28…

Even with the fact that planes fly slower now than in the 60s, I'll gladly fly DEN-SFO. I can be finishing dinner in Palo Alto when you're in the Salt Flats.

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the cities. NY-SF by train will remain nonsense forever, but the eastern seaboard and a bunch of other clusters (LA-SF, Great Lakes stuff, I think the obama admin had a map of zones they wanted to put HSR proposals for a few years back) could be serviced by high-speed train, even more so with maglev (which extends the competitive range of train against plane) My personal rule of thumb[0] is modern HSTs (28…

Even with the fact that planes fly slower now than in the 60s, I'll gladly fly DEN-SFO. I can be finishing dinner in Palo Alto when you're in the Salt Flats.

Unless it's raining/snowing/windy in Denver or SF (or even an unrelated location like Chicago or Boston which might prevent your aircraft from getting to DEN in the first place) in which case you might be sleeping in an airport terminal while masklinn is finishing a late supper in Palo Alto.

I write this as someone who has had two cancellations and 6 delays over ten air trips in the past three months.

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2045 is only ~30 years from now, and part of the line will be operational by 2027. It seems like a long time for people used to computer technology, but it's a typical generational cycle for industrial technology. The 787, for example, which is just trickling into fleets now, was in development since the late 1990's (15 years ago). Power technology has developed even more slowly. E.g. the efficiency of coal power pla…

It just seems so foreign to work on something that you might not get to see operational in your lifetime :(

You have no patience. Plus you could just sign up for cryonics.

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

#25

I wish this mode of transportation would be practical and affordable here in the US. I like the light rail in Denver, and the subways in San Francisco. Made getting around town really easy and affordable. Unfortunately with the distance between cities here it is more practical to take a flight.

Depends on the cities. NY-SF by train will remain nonsense forever, but the eastern seaboard and a bunch of other clusters (LA-SF, Great Lakes stuff, I think the obama admin had a map of zones they wanted to put HSR proposals for a few years back) could be serviced by high-speed train, even more so with maglev (which extends the competitive range of train against plane) My personal rule of thumb[0] is modern HSTs (28…

Spain has some security theater at their high speed trains but it is far less invasive than the one at airports. It is on the other hand even more useless since the security checks are not done at all stations. I have boarded AVE trains without passing a security check.

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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post #12

To put this into perspective, the distance from Tokyo to Osaka is 506KM. It's roughly comparable to: * Ottawa->Toronto (449KM) * LA->San Francisco (622KM) * Washington DC->NYC (363KM)

310 mph in 2013.

As opposed to 220 mph top speed in the year 2029 for california "high speed" rail.

What a bright, wondrous future we will all be living in!

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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post #26
post #12

To put this into perspective, the distance from Tokyo to Osaka is 506KM. It's roughly comparable to: * Ottawa->Toronto (449KM) * LA->San Francisco (622KM) * Washington DC->NYC (363KM)

310 mph in 2013. As opposed to 220 mph top speed in the year 2029 for california "high speed" rail. What a bright, wondrous future we will all be living in!

Isn't the maglev to be used publicly only in 2027 ?

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that the TGV you mentioned was a highly modified version just for this speed record. The L0 [1] shown in the video is planned to be the production train and run 500km/h in actual service. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L0_Series_Shinkansen

Then again both train use different technology. Running gear on a TGV is a massive friction generator compared to a maglev, I would think, and consequently the record is very impressive. Still I would love maglev line to be build through Europe.

Nah. Space and diminishing returns have been the main blocks for improving EU HSR investment since quite a long time. Dedicated lines take up space that could be used by local rail, are expensive to build, and while they work in an all-the-rails-lead-to-Paris mode, in a less centralized country they're significantly less effective.

In fact, three countries probably most often praised for railway quality would be Switzerland (barely any HSR, and huge fail, and while they are adding more tracks between Zurich, Bern and Geneva, they're going to be used by local traffic as well), Netherlands (where railways were limited to 140km/h for way too long, and HSR is also limited) and Germany (there is an extensive HSR network, but it's significantly slower than the French one. All also because getting it faster would cost more than it's worth for them). French HSR is excellent, but the railways in general are a bit lacking (but also used to the point of track and station saturation).

Anyway, one possibility many people ignore unfairly (in my opinion) for longer routes are night trains: you might arrive on the same day, but modern night trains often offer a hotel-quality accommodation, so I will be there in the morning, rested, and the time I've spent on the train will be time I'm sleeping anyway - so in many ways the trip actually would take less time than for an airplane or fast rail. And it's far more energy efficient as well.

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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post #26
post #12

To put this into perspective, the distance from Tokyo to Osaka is 506KM. It's roughly comparable to: * Ottawa->Toronto (449KM) * LA->San Francisco (622KM) * Washington DC->NYC (363KM)

310 mph in 2013. As opposed to 220 mph top speed in the year 2029 for california "high speed" rail. What a bright, wondrous future we will all be living in!

From the article: The line between Tokyo and Osaka is expected to cost approximately $90 billion and it won't be completed until 2045

I think California's high speed rail project should be cancelled, but big infrastructure projects do cost a lot of money and take a long time, both in Japan and the US.

Re: Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video)

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the cities. NY-SF by train will remain nonsense forever, but the eastern seaboard and a bunch of other clusters (LA-SF, Great Lakes stuff, I think the obama admin had a map of zones they wanted to put HSR proposals for a few years back) could be serviced by high-speed train, even more so with maglev (which extends the competitive range of train against plane) My personal rule of thumb[0] is modern HSTs (28…

Spain has some security theater at their high speed trains but it is far less invasive than the one at airports. It is on the other hand even more useless since the security checks are not done at all stations. I have boarded AVE trains without passing a security check.

They had a high profile bombing at Madrid's Atocha train station (the day after one of my brothers was there, that one hit close to home, not that I expect security theater to make a difference).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

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