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Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

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Post by bankIsSketch »

sker wrote: post #36
masklinn wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does the File API give you full access to the file system? The File API gives you access to the files the user has selected for your access. No website-accessible API will ever give full access to anything for rather good reasons.

Yes, that's why it isn't a good replacement for something like WPF, Qt, wxWidgets, etc. node-webkit and NiDIUM fix that problem.

The File API wasn't designed with that in mind. It's built for a web browser. They wanted security for end-users. I'm not going to blame my phone for not being able to make phone calls through my TV.

Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

#52

Post by masklinn »

jordanmoore_ wrote: post #47
masklinn wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And once again our community snipes, takes cheap shot and shows complete lack of understanding for comments expressing confusion over a cryptic, unclear and fluff-filled page. If you have nothing of value to add, just keep quiet. Otherwise you can come across a bit of a dick. Thanks.

Very clever, the ol' switcheroo. I'm not talking about the comments from genuinely confused people, I'm talking about the nastier snipes which seem to have conveniently disappeared after myself and others called them out on it. Here's one that's still floating around: "there's nothing in that horrible presentation that a modern browser can't do". And you're calling me a dick for calling out comments like that? Come o…

> Very clever, the ol' switcheroo.

There's little cleverness in reminding you of the plank you've got in your eye when you're looking at the dust in your brother's, but thanks nonetheless.

> Here's one that's still floating around: "there's nothing in that horrible presentation that a modern browser can't do".

The presentation is bad, and aside from this value judgement the comment expresses confusion over the improvements of the project over existing browsers.

> And you're calling me a dick for calling out comments like that?

I don't know, were you calling people dicks? So your comment was not just advising, it was passive-aggressively insulting third parties?

> I realise that my original comment AND this comment aren't adding any value to the conversation either

Indeed, have you considered practicing what you preach and leading by example?

> I'm just saying we aren't doing much in creating an environment where people are confident in sharing their work without fear of hours of work being instantly dismissed

There's little evidence of such a thing here, there's a marketroid video with a fluffy and empty title.

Meanwhile a few links below on the front page (at this time) you've got https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6314730 which shows an actual project with a number of interested comments, none of them negative as far as I can see.

Even https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6314310 which looks nothing special at first glance garners mostly positive comments (or more neutral ones talking about the space/ecosystem, wondering about it v alternatives, etc...) with a downvoted negative comment whose author readily agreed being wrong when his mistake was pointed out.

> I'm sure you wouldn't like it.

I don't mind marketing copy and email harvesting schemes getting slammed. Especially when advertised as a "show HN" with no show and little tell.

Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

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Post by drivingmenuts »

It's interesting, but the trend toward making everything a web application is even more disturbing to me, given the revelation of how deep the security rot goes these days. The net is pretty much unavoidable, unless you're pretty hardcore, but I, for one, am hoping for focus on pulling things back to the user end at some point.

Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

#54

Post by pcx66 »

binaryorganic wrote: post #33

So the only thing clear from the comments is that the folks behind this are going to have to work on their communication game. The video was obviously created to tease the product a bit, which is hard when nobody knows exactly what thye're looking at, but even when I went to sign up for updates I see: "We will send you a maximum amount of spam as soon as possible."

The product description indeed is a bit vague, though you get the gist of what they are trying to accomplish. You might want to ask more specific questions instead of just ridiculing them. Some of us are not good at PR and those of us who are good should help others.

Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

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Post by beyondcompute »

It looks like a promising first step towards the great thing we clearly need: an alternative to web. Get rid of HTTP, CSS, and HTML (well, HTML can be useful when we deal with actual _hypertext_). It would be nice to support some languages that are friendlier than JS (i.e., almost any one) though.

Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

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Post by pcx66 »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #53

It's interesting, but the trend toward making everything a web application is even more disturbing to me, given the revelation of how deep the security rot goes these days. The net is pretty much unavoidable, unless you're pretty hardcore, but I, for one, am hoping for focus on pulling things back to the user end at some point.

I think the rush to make everything 'web' is primarily because we finally are building an open, free, accessible, write-once-run-everywhere platform. That's the most exciting part of the web, and privacy is a bug we still have to fix.

EDIT: When I say 'privacy is a bug', I mean the ability to provide privacy is still immature, and susceptible of exploits.

Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

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Post by jordanmoore_ »

masklinn wrote: post #52
jordanmoore_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very clever, the ol' switcheroo. I'm not talking about the comments from genuinely confused people, I'm talking about the nastier snipes which seem to have conveniently disappeared after myself and others called them out on it. Here's one that's still floating around: "there's nothing in that horrible presentation that a modern browser can't do". And you're calling me a dick for calling out comments like that? Come o…

> Very clever, the ol' switcheroo. There's little cleverness in reminding you of the plank you've got in your eye when you're looking at the dust in your brother's, but thanks nonetheless. > Here's one that's still floating around: "there's nothing in that horrible presentation that a modern browser can't do". The presentation is bad, and aside from this value judgement the comment expresses confusion over the improv…

I find it amusing that you're happily sniping away while trying to appear all holier than thou. There's not much point in us discussing what isn't there anymore, it's just making my original point look irrelevant which you keep alluding to. But again, you weren't there when the original sniping was going on and promptly removed.

So save your "practice what you preach" and other cliches for someone else because this pointless conversation is becoming a parody of itself.

Re: Nidium – A new browser engine

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Post by AndreasFrom »

sker wrote: post #39
AndreasFrom wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ligth Table [1] works well and uses node-WebKit. 1: http://www.lighttable.com/

Thanks, I didn't know they were using node-webkit.

Yes, Chris Granger even contributed upstream according to this http://www.chris-granger.com/2013/08/22/light-table-050/
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