Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
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Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#2What's so bad about companies not bullshitting? If Microsoft said "We think HTML5 isn't worth our time, and we won't lift a finger until we see it picking up," I'd like them a lot more than when they make empty claims. That way, when they actually do stuff (does the IE team do stuff anymore?) I can trust them and look forward to it happening.
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#3What's so bad about companies not bullshitting? If Microsoft said "We think HTML5 isn't worth our time, and we won't lift a finger until we see it picking up," I'd like them a lot more than when they make empty claims. That way, when they actually do stuff ( does the IE team do stuff anymore?) I can trust them and look forward to it happening.
Google getting behind HTML 5 is probably going to force Microsoft's hands quite a bit. I can't imagine Google rolling out a bunch of new RIA features and having them break in IE, it would look terrible for Microsoft.
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#4I think we are reading too much from cryptic political messages.
Unless HTML5 and canvas gain a lot of momentum, and Google is doing a lot in this direction, Microsoft will come up with a broken half-compatible and quirky implementation geared to badmouth the whole HTML5 thing as they did with the ODF "support" in Office.
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#5What's so bad about companies not bullshitting? If Microsoft said "We think HTML5 isn't worth our time, and we won't lift a finger until we see it picking up," I'd like them a lot more than when they make empty claims. That way, when they actually do stuff ( does the IE team do stuff anymore?) I can trust them and look forward to it happening.
Google getting behind HTML 5 is probably going to force Microsoft's hands quite a bit. I can't imagine Google rolling out a bunch of new RIA features and having them break in IE, it would look terrible for Microsoft.
It's difficult because Google needs to compromise themselves enough to work for the IE majority. If they break too much then people won't get Chrome. They'll stop using Google.
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google getting behind HTML 5 is probably going to force Microsoft's hands quite a bit. I can't imagine Google rolling out a bunch of new RIA features and having them break in IE, it would look terrible for Microsoft.
It's difficult because Google needs to compromise themselves enough to work for the IE majority. If they break too much then people won't get Chrome. They'll stop using Google.
What and start using Bing and Hotmail? get real...
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#7I think we are reading too much from cryptic political messages. Unless HTML5 and canvas gain a lot of momentum, and Google is doing a lot in this direction, Microsoft will come up with a broken half-compatible and quirky implementation geared to badmouth the whole HTML5 thing as they did with the ODF "support" in Office.
This is nothing like ODF support...
ODF is an incomplete standard. Spreadsheet formulas, for example, were not even mentioned when Microsoft started their spec and still aren't even final. It has been at least two years!
Microsoft created a new standard so that it could satisfy the openness demands of their customers (i.e. government organizations) while maintaining the existing level of functionality. Had they waited for the ODF standard, they'd still be waiting. I think the Office file format team did a stellar job without an ounce of malice.
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#8Canvas and SVG would kill silverlight instantly and that's why M$ will never implement any of them.
As simple as that.
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's difficult because Google needs to compromise themselves enough to work for the IE majority. If they break too much then people won't get Chrome. They'll stop using Google.
What and start using Bing and Hotmail? get real...
That's a stupid argument. Would people stop using Gmail if it refused to work for IE6/7/8? Yes. They would stop instantly.
Where the hell did Bing come in? Some people use Google Search and Hotmail. You're not locked into a company. Furthermore, this was never about search, this was about more complex applications. If Google Search told you to download Chrome or else you couldn't use it, you can fucking bet users would start using Yahoo. Laziness trumps everything else. That's why I use Mibbit rather than downloading an IRC client.
Hotmail leads Gmail by 13 million uniques. Gmail is the fourth-largest service. Just because it's the best doesn't mean it's the most popular.
Real enough for you?
Re: Microsoft are officially doing "lots of stuff" re: the HTML5 Canvas.
#10Canvas and SVG would kill silverlight instantly and that's why M$ will never implement any of them. As simple as that.
Silverlight's killer feature is adaptive video streaming. The current HTML 5 draft states:
" It would be helpful for interoperability if all browsers could support the same codecs. However, there are no known codecs that satisfy all the current players: we need a codec that is known to not require per-unit or per-distributor licensing, that is compatible with the open source development model, that is of sufficient quality as to be usable, and that is not an additional submarine patent risk for large companies. This is an ongoing issue and this section will be updated once more information is available. "
Netflix, MLB, NBC (Olympics), etc choose Silverlight to enable high quality video streaming while simultaneously supporting lower end connections without requiring manual quality selection. As far as I know, Flash can't do that and I don't expect the HTML 5 video element to be able to do it cross-browser and platform.
Canvas and SVG are nice, but they are hardly enough to kill either of the popular rich internet application browser plugins. Add in video and ignore a large pile of existing skill sets; you might have a case against Flash.
Silverlight isn't doing so great because, in true Microsoft fashion, there is too much complexity. XAML/WPF is a classic inheritance vs composition design disaster and the learning curve is simply outside of the scope of the average developer. Blend, however, is an amazing tool and may be able breath some life into the ecosystem. Silverlight will be the death of Silverlight, not Canvas or SVG.