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Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about we all try them first?

Well, one reason to get others' opinions to avoid having to try everything oneself. Time is limited.

Well, yes.

I was more hoping those that have a strong opinion on one or the other would ensure that they try them both first.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#32
post #21

So, isn't it time we had another Angular vs Ember discussion? I tried Ember some time ago and it just didn't click for me. It's hard to explain exactly why, but I found myself switching between too many files to get simple things done. I've done some simple Angular work recently, and found it a relatively simple system. In defence of Ember everything about the project -- docs, community -- seems to be better organise…

How about we all try them first?

While this attitude is in-line with general hacker values, and is good advice when dealing with simple tools, it is a poor general principle when applied to complex tools with an ecosystem of experts whose opinions you trust.

In the case at hand, spending half a day each (or even more) with angular and ember is not enough time to gain a truly informed opinion of either. These are big frameworks with many features, and each harbors both gotchas and benefits that won't emerge until you've worked with them over time in real projects.

For developers with limited time, asking advice from fellow trusted developers is not only acceptable, but also, in many cases, the clearly optimal strategy. Of course, the trick is to find experienced people to ask with tastes and values similar to your own.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#33
post #28

I wish there were more docs/tutorials/examples in the wild. I truly love this outstanding project and I'd like more people to join the ember.js community.

I don't know if you have already come across it, but http://emberwatch.com is a great aggregator of all the resources on Ember in the wild.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#34
post #6

I said this already on Twitter, but: It’s been 2½ years since I started working on Ember.js. While I’m proud of the code we wrote, I’m even more proud of the community we built. We have been lucky enough to attract the companies and individuals that are tackling the hardest problems in developing 100% JavaScript web applications; people for whom the only acceptable answer is solid engineering, not piles of hacks. As…

Thank you for this video! It nearly convinced me to build my first EmberJS app (I'm coming from a BackboneJS background and I haven't decided yet between Angular and Ember). Will you continue this kind of videos? Building a series by continuing the current "story" could be really really nice.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#35
I sorta learn Angularjs, well went through a few tutorials on Angular for a company. Turned out that company is now doing emberjs and I have to learn emberjs.

I have to say EmberData is not production ready. It's modularity is more monolithic compare to Angularjs. There's a lot of moving parts that can break (in term of using emblem, brunch, handlebar, etc...). And the community is much smaller, less books, less people that talks about ember/tutorial etc...

Angularjs, it seems much better but the scoping can be a hassle.

I feel like angularjs is winning right now in term of hype, community, resources (books, blogs, etc..), and overall I feel like angular got it right and more ready (cause emberdata ain't ready).

On the plus side, ember got a cute mascot and angular got nothing...

Although this is just my initial reaction and it can change over time. Hopefully Ember will get better but if I have a side project I would chose angularjs over emberjs right now. Unless ember changed for the better.

edit: direct injection is pretty awesome in angular btw.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#36
I've been developing on AngularJS for a while now, and have been constantly checking Ember's development. I happen to like a lot of stuff in Ember and meant to use it in production. I mean, I really want to use it!

However, it took forever to reach this state. It was always beta, rc or some other non-production version, in rapid development with API changes and stuff. While this is great news that it's finally a stable release, It seems that Ember Data is in a new round of development with alpha status. It feels like some of it will never be production ready.

Angular is far from perfect, I hate it's guts most of the time, but it has been stable enough to build stuff on top of. That's the number 1 advantage of Angular over Ember.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#37

So, isn't it time we had another Angular vs Ember discussion? I tried Ember some time ago and it just didn't click for me. It's hard to explain exactly why, but I found myself switching between too many files to get simple things done. I've done some simple Angular work recently, and found it a relatively simple system. In defence of Ember everything about the project -- docs, community -- seems to be better organise…

Ember doc as of last week was base on RC3 or something while I was using RC7. Wtf. I followed the tutorial with RC3 and some emberdata version that was included in the tutorial. Switch to RC7 everything break. The error response was gibberish, had to stack trace it, to find out I need to switch emberdata to the newest version.

I don't get why people keep on saying AngularJS doc is bad.

Maybe I'm weird but I've found Ember JS to be horrible and AngularJS to be very good.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#38
post #6

I said this already on Twitter, but: It’s been 2½ years since I started working on Ember.js. While I’m proud of the code we wrote, I’m even more proud of the community we built. We have been lucky enough to attract the companies and individuals that are tackling the hardest problems in developing 100% JavaScript web applications; people for whom the only acceptable answer is solid engineering, not piles of hacks. As…

Thanks for posting this, there's a lot of value in this screencast.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#39
post #36

I've been developing on AngularJS for a while now, and have been constantly checking Ember's development. I happen to like a lot of stuff in Ember and meant to use it in production. I mean, I really want to use it! However, it took forever to reach this state. It was always beta, rc or some other non-production version, in rapid development with API changes and stuff. While this is great news that it's finally a stab…

> It seems that Ember Data is in a new round of development with alpha status

Ember Data isn't a requirement of Ember by any means. You can happily use these instead:

* jQuery.ajax

* https://github.com/ebryn/ember-model

* http://epf.io/

* https://github.com/zendesk/ember-resource

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

#40
Well done, basically. Massive effort. I've been working with Ember for over a year now and things have come a long way. Out of the many brilliant things in Ember, possibly my favourite is how little code it takes to do anything. In fact, I think that Ember is happier the less code you write :)
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