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Ember.js 1.0 Released

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Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

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Post by matthewlehner »

Congratulations - This is really a huge step forward for both Ember, and front end development. I know that it has been possible to build rich front-end applications using JavaScript before now, but the API and tools around Ember are excellent and really make for a productive, convention over configuration development environment.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

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Post by leokun »

Awesome, have been meaning to try ember. Just finished with a 6 month meteor.js binge. Which leads me to the question: what is a good real time push solution for ember? Does it have anything for that, or is that something I'd have to build in separately with socket.io or sock.js or something?

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

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Post by ehsanu1 »

I've been interested in using Ember.js in the frontend for a Rails app, especially after watching a mock competition between it and Angular [1]. But it's beta status kept me from using it, and even now I wonder if it really is production ready, or just API-stable (which they say they will be as per http://semver.org/). I also don't know if it's really worth the up-front cost of learning and slowing down initial development of a new product, especially while at a startup trying to set an aggressive release date for the product.

I'm also a bit worried about the need for everyone on the team to learn how Ember works and its conventions, when they already know how to figure out whatever mess of ad-hoc jQuery and random objects someone would write instead (as bad as that is for maintainability). And finally, I won't have the advantage of green field development, as there is an existing app which will be added to. So there will end up being a chunk of the app with Ember, and a (functionally separate) part of the app not using Ember at all.. Which does not seem ideal.

Anyone want to chime in with their experiences?

[1] https://vimeo.com/68215606 - Note it's a bit unfair with the project lead for Ember, tomdale, on one of the "cage match"

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

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Post by tomdale »

I said this already on Twitter, but:

It’s been 2½ years since I started working on Ember.js. While I’m proud of the code we wrote, I’m even more proud of the community we built.

We have been lucky enough to attract the companies and individuals that are tackling the hardest problems in developing 100% JavaScript web applications; people for whom the only acceptable answer is solid engineering, not piles of hacks.

As we mention in the blog post, Ember.js went through a reboot midway through its life when we realized the thing we were building was not the thing that needed to be built. If you tried Ember.js previously and had a bad experience, I'd really encourage you to give it a whirl again. We've smoothed over the rough surfaces, and now have the documentation and community to help you get started.

If you'd just like to take a peek at what building an Ember.js app is like, I recorded a ~25 minute screencast that takes you soup to nuts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QHrlFlaXdI

Lastly, I'd like to express my personal gratitude to everyone that pitched in at the 11th hour to get this release out the door. I couldn't be more proud to call this awesome group of developers my friends.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

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Post by sandstrom »

ehsanu1 wrote: post #5

I've been interested in using Ember.js in the frontend for a Rails app, especially after watching a mock competition between it and Angular [1]. But it's beta status kept me from using it, and even now I wonder if it really is production ready, or just API-stable (which they say they will be as per http://semver.org/ ). I also don't know if it's really worth the up-front cost of learning and slowing down initial deve…

We've used it in production for quite a while, and it has worked well for us.

We gradually moved our previous jQuery-implemented app onto Ember, so it's certainly possible to do it in stages (we still have a minor section which we haven't moved yet, because it's up for rewrite regardless).

There are still improvements to be made, but we're certainly happy to be using it live.

Re: Ember.js 1.0 Released

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Post by noelwelsh »

So, isn't it time we had another Angular vs Ember discussion?

I tried Ember some time ago and it just didn't click for me. It's hard to explain exactly why, but I found myself switching between too many files to get simple things done. I've done some simple Angular work recently, and found it a relatively simple system.

In defence of Ember everything about the project -- docs, community -- seems to be better organised than Angular. The Angular docs are hilariously bad.

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