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Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

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Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#11
Maybe it's because I work for a nonprofit, but this piece seems like speculation and paranoia. Oh, so this group Peers is actually funded by a handful of wealthy patrons? Guess what--all nonprofits make 90%+ of their revenues from the top 10% or less of donors. Some nonprofits only really have ONE donor. That's just how the nonprofit sector works. All of it. By the author's logic, the Red Cross is astroturf.

I think it's a fair point that these companies aren't building a sharing economy. They're building companies that let people sell individual surplus of capital or time or skills through a convenient platform. That might not be sharing, but there's real economic value in that. They wouldn't be able to take a cut from these small transactions unless they genuinely offered some valuable service to the other parties. I just recently stayed in a wonderful AirBNB apartment while on a trip, and I know I wouldn't have managed that without the AirBNB service, and I know I would have paid more and gotten less for a hotel.

The author assumes--wrongly, from my experience in public policy--that the status quo organizations and regulations exist for the common good. Some do, but many don't. Lots of bad laws and crooked organizations raise unjustifiable barriers to entry--not just for Silicon Valley start-ups, but for the mom-and-pop businesses too.

I can't say for sure whether Peers is good, bad, or neutral. I can say with certainty that this article is heavily biased, ignorant of how most nonprofits work, and ignorant of the public policy process.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#12
I remember when the web and later peer2peer was just taking off: "this is the death of the middleman".

And here we are, as the "masses" joined in the fun, we're surrounded by not just middle-men but huge middleman-concerns, walled gardens, "siren servers".

Turns out AoL and Yahoo had it about right, they were just 15 years too early and a tad too innocuous ;D

(Only tangentially related but remember why Skype took off? It was (branded as) "fully peer-to-peer". Freeing millions from the shackles of the telcos, yay! Now flip it to eBay first, to MS next and here we are, the world's biggest NSA backdoor and botnet. Neat!)

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#13
So great piece with a lot of valid criticism but I also feels like it keeps judging the speech on a claim it doesn't continue to make.

The author continues judging the speech as a claim to counter capitalism when in fact the speaker comes clean early on. This is unfortunate because it muddles the argument.

The way I understand the argument its more that instead of companies making money on individuals its individuals making money on each other. It's removing the middle man so to speak.

For instance when he write

"The laws that he is talking about are licensing laws and other laws put in place to protect employees, customers, and neighbourhoods. These laws are not all perfect. But the sharing economy has nothing to replace them beyond magical thinking about “trust” (with little accountability)."

He is basically cherry picking. There is also quite a few laws that are actually hindering progress.

Technology does move faster than legislation.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#14
post #2

This article really clears up for me the skepticism I felt about these new companies. I've heard the term the Sharing economy before but I didn't know these companies were trying to reappropriate the word. It takes quite a bit of cognitive dissonance to be convinced that what you're doing is sharing even when you're taking people's money. Back when I was a teenager, I dreamt up that the women's rights movement was ul…

"women's rights movement was ultimately a ploy by the capitalist class"

Rather it was about family not working as advertized.

Movements don't start your social troubles, they react.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#15

Maybe it's because I work for a nonprofit, but this piece seems like speculation and paranoia. Oh, so this group Peers is actually funded by a handful of wealthy patrons? Guess what--all nonprofits make 90%+ of their revenues from the top 10% or less of donors. Some nonprofits only really have ONE donor. That's just how the nonprofit sector works. All of it. By the author's logic, the Red Cross is astroturf. I think…

> By the author's logic, the Red Cross is astroturf.

It would be like that if the Red Cross claimed to be a grassroots organisation and engaged in advocacy for its funders. As far as I know neither of those things are the case, and if they are I hope somebody will write critical blog posts about it.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

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post #4

That is one interesting piece. I highly encourage reading it all, as well as the articles linked within. I had not been aware of this 'sharing movement', and how this perspective was being force-fed by some SV folks. And now that I've found about it I find this to be very off-putting, I was expecting better from SV. The BI article on TaskRabbit ( http://www.businessinsider.com/confessions-of-a-task-rabbit-... ) I thi…

Be careful about making the flawed assumption that economics is a zero-sum game. That if craigslist earned money, it must somehow be stealing it.

Actually, the opposite is true. I think craigslist is so focused on being barebones and profit-free that it actually is doing a disservice to the economy. It took a lot of pressure for Craigslist to add a basic feature, maps integration, and it only did so recently. If craigslist wanted to really contribute to society, it should try earning a bit more money and using it to hire people to make the service better for end-users. Everyone wins.

Middle-men are not necessarily evil just because they earn a profit. A genuinely useful middle-man can benefit both himself as well as the other parties in the transaction. Again, don't fall into the trap of zero-sum thinking.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#17
All platforms can be thought of as positioning themselves for rent seeking - that is app stores, linkedin, and yeah airbnb.

Things that require a network effect, after they get it, are in a super leveraged position that they can cash in.

That said, the platforms that choose not to cash in on this tend to not be as successful. Couchsurfing wasn't. Cash and the promise of cash for investors allows a company to spend a great deal to market and secure with insurance this sharing economy. These are important functions to make the public understand and get used to this new weird future.

In the end, we need those rent-seeking-seeming fees to jumpstart this whatever-you-want-to-call-it sharing economy. We don't get an airbnb without a large commission on every renting agreement made.

I believe that once the public is comfortable with 'sharing economy' as an integrated part of our lives, then the race to the bottom platforms might start happening - when companies are competing on price and features. Of course, those incumbents will fight tooth and nail to keep their monopolies and may well succeed. We'll see.

Right now is the golden age for these types of companies.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#18
post #2

This article really clears up for me the skepticism I felt about these new companies. I've heard the term the Sharing economy before but I didn't know these companies were trying to reappropriate the word. It takes quite a bit of cognitive dissonance to be convinced that what you're doing is sharing even when you're taking people's money. Back when I was a teenager, I dreamt up that the women's rights movement was ul…

> Back when I was a teenager, I dreamt up that the women's rights movement was ultimately a ploy by the capitalist class to dilute the value of labor in the market.

This is most certainly a dream, because in reality women's rights and feminist movements are in part about getting women actually paid for the labor they perform.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

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post #2

This article really clears up for me the skepticism I felt about these new companies. I've heard the term the Sharing economy before but I didn't know these companies were trying to reappropriate the word. It takes quite a bit of cognitive dissonance to be convinced that what you're doing is sharing even when you're taking people's money. Back when I was a teenager, I dreamt up that the women's rights movement was ul…

> Back when I was a teenager, I dreamt up that the women's rights movement was ultimately a ploy by the capitalist class to dilute the value of labor in the market. This is most certainly a dream, because in reality women's rights and feminist movements are in part about getting women actually paid for the labor they perform.

> This is most certainly a dream, because in reality women's rights and feminist movements are in part about getting women actually paid for the labor they perform.

The idea that capitalism subverted feminism in the pursuit of cheap labour is shared by some feminists, and isn't necessarily inherently antifeminist.

Re: Why The Sharing Economy Isn’t

#20

All platforms can be thought of as positioning themselves for rent seeking - that is app stores, linkedin, and yeah airbnb. Things that require a network effect, after they get it, are in a super leveraged position that they can cash in. That said, the platforms that choose not to cash in on this tend to not be as successful. Couchsurfing wasn't. Cash and the promise of cash for investors allows a company to spend a…

> That said, the platforms that choose not to cash in on this tend to not be as successful. Couchsurfing wasn't.

By what metric? The people I know who use couchsurfing.org seem very enthusiastic about it, which is obviously anecdotal but it's odd to be reading that it's a failure.

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