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It looks like the NSA is using RBAC in some form, but with a big gaping hole that Snowden just walked right through. Log in as a user and you get "Hotel California" security -- you cannot escape your role. Log in as an administrator and you are not confined to any role and can just walk all over everything. Another possibility is that Snowden had the ability to create login credentials and just gave himself the abili…
> It looks like the NSA is using RBAC in some form, but with a big gaping hole that Snowden just walked right through. Presenting that as "impersonation" to the general public is deceptive, regardless of whether it is intended to be or not.
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#62I know I'll get downvoted for this. Please be a contributing community member of HN and state why. Have any of the NSA leaks told us anything we don't know? Haven't the majority of the leaks told our foreign enemies how to avoid being tracked more than anything? I have yet to see any serious abuse of the NSA's power. The fact that they know that low level employees were spying on potential love interests means that t…
How's that government paycheck treating you? Also, it's spelled "asymmetric", Che.
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There is no "root access" implied in this article. Read about RBAC to understand this.
If RBAC is supposed to guard against abuses, even by sysadmins, but was implemented in a way that sysadmins could get around it, and there were no effective mechanisms to prevent that, then it's all just "security theater." If Snowden pointed this out to his bosses and was ignored, then he had a legitimate reason to blow the whistle.
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"Have any of the NSA leaks told us anything we don't know?" Anything we i.e. the readership of HN / Slashdot / Reddit / etc. do not know? Of course not. That accounts for about 2% of the population of the United States. The rest of America is still trying to get past the "but I am not even interesting, why would the NSA spy on me?" stage of life. "Haven't the majority of the leaks told our foreign enemies how to avoi…
I have yet to see evidence that he has lied. Keep in mind that the personal data being mined by these systems was already recorded, legally and gathered legally with the contracts you agreed to with these companies. I've read the EULA and every single one of them states they will cooperate with authorities for data requests. Without evidence of abuse, there is no lie here. >How is that coherent with your first senten…
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE...
The question you have to ask yourself, whether you think that would have come out without the Snowden revelations.
Evidence that the govt. broke rules to do their job (after Obama explicitly denied the powers are abused):
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/21/nsa-illegally-c...
Evidence that checks are not in place:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/24...
The LOVEINT revelations only showed up when the officers volunteered the information pre-polygraph test, which are more of a fear instrument than verifiably accurate. That's not a check or balance. More to the point the relevant facts emerged after Alexander categorically denied that abuses take place.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Have any of the NSA leaks told us anything we don't know? Yes. Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. > I have yet to see any serious abuse of the NSA's power. Please make a modest effort before making such statements. 1. The fact that the blanket spying exists at all is…
> Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. I'd bother replying to the rest of your ill-informed statements, but it's clear that you don't understand the systems involved. Read up on it before making such false statements. I really don't need to address your circular logic, t…
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE...
"If the intelligence community collects information pursuant to a valid foreign intelligence tasking that is recognised as being evidence of a crime, [it] can disseminate that information to law enforcement, as appropriate." [1]
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/06/justice-departm...
EDIT: where I have written "produce" above I had initially written set up, the course of action is as follows. NSA tip off SOA/DICE re: domestic crime, SOA/DICE instruct DEA/IRS to have police stop suspect at location for e.g. "traffic violation" and create a parallel evidence chain - so that source of information cannot be determined.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Have any of the NSA leaks told us anything we don't know? Yes. Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. > I have yet to see any serious abuse of the NSA's power. Please make a modest effort before making such statements. 1. The fact that the blanket spying exists at all is…
> Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. I'd bother replying to the rest of your ill-informed statements, but it's clear that you don't understand the systems involved. Read up on it before making such false statements. I really don't need to address your circular logic, t…
So, you support the power of the state over the idea of the fourth amendment (warrant process)? Ok, stating that fact would be more effective than this "that's just sad" tripe.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Have any of the NSA leaks told us anything we don't know? Yes. Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. > I have yet to see any serious abuse of the NSA's power. Please make a modest effort before making such statements. 1. The fact that the blanket spying exists at all is…
> Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. I'd bother replying to the rest of your ill-informed statements, but it's clear that you don't understand the systems involved. Read up on it before making such false statements. I really don't need to address your circular logic, t…
That those protections were developed over centuries of experience is no matter... founders must be rolling over in their graves (again?).
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> Due to the fourth amendment (I'd recommend reading it), I'm definitely surprised at the scope of what has come to light. These actions directly contradict it, both in letter and spirit. I'd bother replying to the rest of your ill-informed statements, but it's clear that you don't understand the systems involved. Read up on it before making such false statements. I really don't need to address your circular logic, t…
Congrats on the most obtuse post of the day... content-free. So, you support the power of the state over the idea of the fourth amendment (warrant process)? Ok, stating that fact would be more effective than this "that's just sad" tripe.
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Congrats on the most obtuse post of the day... content-free. So, you support the power of the state over the idea of the fourth amendment (warrant process)? Ok, stating that fact would be more effective than this "that's just sad" tripe.
It's not my job to help you reason with logic. If you can't appreciate that circular reasoning is a distraction, then what is my explaining going to do other than waste my time? I'll just have repeat myself as you spout more and more meme-like troupes and purposeful misunderstandings. I'm not hear to proselytize or market. I'm hear to figure out the truth for myself, if others happen to be convinced in the process, t…
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How's that government paycheck treating you? Also, it's spelled "asymmetric", Che.
ad hominem
Yet, reading what you actually have to say, I strongly feel compelled not to waste my time arguing you literally. I attacked you, because I tire of silly accounts with keyboard-warrior usernames showing up and spewing garbage defending the government with little-to-no rationality. It also makes me angry that someone is being paid with tax-payer dollars to post complete crap.
However, in the interest of the general populace, I'll be happy to point out why I disagree:
Have any of the NSA leaks told us anything we don't know?
Yes. The NSA very strongly painted (in what little time they spent talking about their programs) the picture that the program was used mostly for foreign surveillance, and that blanket domestic spying was absurd, paranoid and not of interest to them. The leaks contradict this. (source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/07/nsa-chief-denies-do...)
Haven't the majority of the leaks told our foreign enemies how to avoid being tracked more than anything?
No. The "bad guys" with half a brain were savvy to techniques for avoiding government surveillance before the leaks (source: http://www.hstoday.us/industry-news/general/single-article/n...). That is, al-Qaeda, who aren't exactly the most hi-tech organization in existence (to my understanding - please educate me if I am misinformed), are smart enough to realize that encrypting their traffic is a good idea; more organized groups caught on long ago (source: http://www.pcworld.com/article/110841/article.html).
I have yet to see any serious abuse of the NSA's power.
Since you like name-dropping fallacies: "no true Scotsman fallacy." What constitutes a 'serious' abuse of power is subjective, but my ethical reasoning says that vacuuming up most Americans communications online without explicit knowledge or consent is abuse in and of itself. Further, we've already seen the love interest scandal, which clearly constitutes abuse (by my reasoning).
The fact that they know that low level employees were spying on potential love interests means that they have a system in place to track such abuses.
And yet, the fact still stands that they used taxpayer money to fund a system that stored all of that information on people they were supposed to be serving, misled them about how much of it they had, and then abused it. Whether or not they caught it later is irrelevant.
Leaking those kind of emails can be spun to state the opposite, when those emails are direct evidence that such abuses are tracked and presumably punished.
Moronic, illogical nonsense.
I've seen articles that have said "what if they use this power to subvert political dissidents" Well, what if they actually have checks built into this system as they have claimed and this new information proves?
So what? Does that justify having the information in the first place? I think not; I do not care that the state has the right to cut off my left arm to make cat food, if and only if a supervisory committee agrees that doing so is reasonable. The basic violation of a perceived right is the issue.
Wouldn't that make Snowden a spy with his own self interests at heart, not the interests of the American people? Leaking piece-meal like he has is in his interests, not ours.
Yes, perhaps he is. The thing is, what Snowden is or does, is irrelevant, because I only care about his message, since the discussion is concerned with abuse of authority, and Snowden has little-to-no sanctioned authority to abuse. What's that called when you attack the person instead of the message, AsymetricCom? Oh. Right. Ad hominem.
Look at the scope of these systems. The fact that no abuses have come up (locally) is quite telling, imho.
Once again, the concern is that these systems exist in the first place, not that no abuse has been documented.
When this same type of hardware is in the hands of countries like China, we see these abuses. Is China seeing something we don't and just not telling us? I highly doubt it.
What China does or doesn't do is absolutely irrelevant to the issue of the United States government's actions.
In conclusion, you seem to like to act logical when it's convenient, but abandon all signs of it when making your point.